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Posted: November 27, 2012 at 4:16 a.m.

Just barely managing The Perspective article about poverty in America was well-written. My husband and I happen to fall into that category along with 46 million other Americans.

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I learned how to "fix" social security on a recent visit to the Social Security office in Fayettnam. Since I will retire soon I went to have some questions answered so I could do some financial planning. Of the 40 or so people sitting in the waiting area only three had silver hair or even looked over 40. My final question for the nice young lady was, "What are all these yong people doing here?". Her response floored me when she replied, "Dind't you know? SSI disability is the new welfare." Folks, all those young ladies dragging several kids around looked perfectly healthy and capable of working to me.

Posted by: jeffieboy

November 27, 2012 at 10:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

The only thing they do well is against the law.

Posted by: Moneymyst

November 27, 2012 at 12:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Rumor and rumors of rumors.
I've known people who had real disabilities, and they found SSI disability is hard to get.
IF the person employed by Social Security is so cynical, it is likely that the people who make the decisions are equally so.
That said, a person can look perfectly healthy and still have heart disease or another disability.
I'm tired of those who automatically insult poor women with children.
I think I live in a part of the country that is anti-woman.

Posted by: Coralie

November 27, 2012 at 3:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

1. SSI is a DISABILITY program. You don't get it simply because you're poor. You must be disabled, over 65 or blind.

2. SSI is NOT FUNDED BY Social Security. It's funded from the general treasury of the U.S.

3. SSI is a program begun by President Nixon (R) who wished to gather all state assistance programs under one roof.
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Posted by: cdawg

November 27, 2012 at 3:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

>>Folks, all those young ladies dragging several kids around looked perfectly healthy and capable of working to me.<
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Social Security also has a survivor's benefit.
It was in the original Act. It's very possible those "young ladies" were there for such a purpose.

My father was killed when I was boy. I had 3 siblings. My mother rec'd Soc Security benefits for the survivors. Even in the late 1950s it wasn't enough to survive on. Mother worked by teaching music lessons from home. There was no Medicaid, Medicare or food stamps. Our backyard was a big garden.

Since you have no idea which of those "young ladies" were disabled or widowed perhaps you should trust the nice ladies at the S.S. office to sort it out. They do a pretty thorough job.
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Posted by: cdawg

November 27, 2012 at 4:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Does voting for Obama count as being mentally disabled or blind?

Posted by: Moneymyst

November 27, 2012 at 4:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

You must be disabled (mentally or physically) AND meet very low income requirements in order to qualify for SSI. Children from upper income families with the same level of disability required by SSI can receive TEFRA Medicaid which pays for everything Medicaid does, but the family does not receive a check as with SSI. There is also a premium payment required for TEFRA, the amount is based on the family income.

Posted by: Dellmann

November 27, 2012 at 5:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Is anyone not eligible for some sort of government social welfare giveaway? Bet Dick Cheney is on Medicare & Medicaid, he got a heart transplant.

Posted by: Moneymyst

November 28, 2012 at 6:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

what would fix the problem of so many on welfare is to have health care for all. countries that have that do not need welfare. it is not socialism to have universal health care. it is just good bussiness as you will pay for it anyway under the table.
there does seem to be a poorer class of folks in east arkansas.
i would love to see a new 3rd party emerge that really does represent the working, labor people of all of Arkansas. the republicans are working for Grover Norquist, we have no democrats anymore. so now is a good time to go independent and help the majority of arkansas not just special intrests groups. An optimistic plan (this eliminates moneymyst..the doomsday poster).
i bet Free could set up a sensible fair platform?
he is a valuable intelligent poster..thanks for all your research and ideas FREE

Posted by: ladyLiberty

November 28, 2012 at 9:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Cheney could not qualify for SSI because of income/resources, but yeah, probably does get Medicare or some much better health insurance plan for being Ex VP.

Posted by: Dellmann

November 28, 2012 at 10:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

No one, not even me, has sugested that Free is not a valuable and intelligent poster. I just question his table manners and common sense.

Posted by: Moneymyst

November 28, 2012 at 10:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

We question your ability to grasp facts or understand what you've read.

>>Bet Dick Cheney is on Medicare & Medicaid, he got a heart transplant.<<

Here's a fact for you: Medicare does not pay for transplants. Period. Nor should it.

Medicaid is for the poor. In Arkansas it's for very poor adults. If a single adult Arkansan has over $3300 per yr income they do not qualify.

The last I read (2008) Dick Cheney's net worth was around $30 million. That is likely before he redeemed his original $10 million investment in gold which he made in 2002. Yes, Dick had a good idea of what his policies would do.

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Posted by: cdawg

November 28, 2012 at 1 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

How many people do any of these posters personally know that are on SSI disability? I have a friends that are. Some are legitimate, but I can tell you for sure that four of them are perfectly healthy. The fact is that it is rife with fraud and abuse.

One went on when her child support money ran out as her son reached 18. She got diagnosed with bipolar disorder which prevented her from working. Fact is she never worked a day in her life. She is collecting a little over $900 a month. A lawyer helped her get it...in Fayettenam.

The next approved at the FAyettenam office is 36 years old and also has bipolar and three kids one of which is also "disabled" with "behavioral problems". She collects on herself and the kids also get paid somehow. She makes a living wage at it.

The next one approved in Fayettenam lives in an old trailer she gets free from relatives and collects slightly less than $1000 for ready? Bipolar disorder. She carefully works around 12-15 hours a week at a fast food reastaurant so as not to lose any benefit by earning too much in wages. I have spent a lot of time with her and she does a lot better when she doesn't take the drugs provided by the rehab center on 40th Street in Springdale.

My borther recently qualified in another state at age 46. He collects it because his drug and alcohol abuse has left his body demolished. He is morbidly obese and can't sleep laying down. He has to sleep in a recliner. In addition, his state also provides him with his "Darth Vader" breathing apparatus and a housekeeper once a week because he can't clean up after himself due to the stress his morbid obesity and failing organs place on him. My brother is collecting at his young age due to his poor personal decisions. The rest of my parents children are healthy and in good physical condition and and hard working.. We have collectively spent tens of thousands of dollars over the years try to "help" him and still do.

I waited to present these facts laying in wait for the defenders of the broken government subsidy system that have already appeared in response to my intial post. It was a kind of trap. A dose of reality for liberal thinkers.

This system is doing a lot to create the debt we cannot service. The folks I described are real people that are personally known to me so no rhetoric you can come up with can refute the reality of it. It is a reality that I am quite familiar with. That reality is simple....the system is broken and the more centralized it is in Washington DC the more difficult it is to police it. You can turn a blind eye to the fraud in it all you want. The reality doesn't change.

By the way the poster that said that it comes from the general fund unlike social security needs to check facts. All of social security was moved out of trust into the general fund under Lyndon Johnson a long, long time ago.

Posted by: jeffieboy

November 29, 2012 at 9:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

ladyliberty,

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"what would fix the problem of so many on welfare is to have health care for all. countries that have that do not need welfare"

Bullsnot. Go to Europe and look around the streets of Paris, Berlin, or London. I had a Serbian girl clothed in rags begging me for food and money on the streets of Berlin about a block from Checkpoint Charlie.

Posted by: Tankersley101

November 29, 2012 at 10:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

That is just one example of the down trodden homeless people I saw living a miseable existance in countries with universal healthcare. I'm not saying the idea of universal healthcare is bad, I'm saying it doesn't elliminate the nead for welfare.

Posted by: Tankersley101

November 29, 2012 at 10:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

If folks want to fix abuses in the system I suggets they use their resources and report abuses when they know of them. Eliminating fraud, waste and abuse will help ensure those who are in need aren't being trumped by criminals.

http://www.arkansas.gov/ddssa/online_...

Posted by: Tankersley101

November 29, 2012 at 10:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Cdawg, many children in Arkansas are also on Medicaid, or ARKidsB. The income limit for eligibility for ARKidsB is considerably higher than for Medicaid. There are some things it doesn't cover, and there are co-pays involved.

Posted by: Dellmann

November 29, 2012 at 12:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Jeffieboy says "She got diagnosed with bipolar disorder which prevented her from working. Fact is she never worked a day in her life."
"also has bipolar and three kids one of which is also "disabled" with "behavioral problems".
"I have spent a lot of time with (3rd person) and she does a lot better when she doesn't take the drugs provided by the rehab center. "
OK, you know 3 people diagnosed with bi-polar disorder. I'll raise you one--I was married to such a person. He was not, at the time, on disability. He was a very intelligent, charming, highly talented man who worked hard at salesman jobs but could not seem to earn more than $400/month--even for the year he worked as a stockbroker.
It is a real disease, although poorly understood and perhaps over-diagnosed. Also, treatments aren't always helpful.
I currently know two people diagnosed as bi-polar who are on disability and one who is not, who is a veteran. I think I may know, and have known, others who were not diagnosed.
These women you know, Jeffieboy, do you know them well enough to have witnessed extremely low moods alternating with manic excitement? Do you really know anything about their problems?
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics...

Posted by: Coralie

November 29, 2012 at 2:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Tankersley101
i totally agree with you ...thanks for the info.
i will use the report SS fraud web link if i
see any fraud or abuse!
if we all reported it instead of just complainig,
it would really help the accoutability! somehow it has been permissable for us to think it is OK to con the government and no one will report us! that has to change..
maybe even if there were consequences to misdiagnosing those poor mentally ill. like bi-polar or schitzophrenia to get the SS disability, it would deter some. if maybe it was a law that the mentally ill could not marry or have children or some other deterant, so that those who claim this disability falsly, will think 2ce? not use it just to get benefits?

i still hold to my premise that if all of us had access to health care, we would not need to be so "creative" to claim false illness to get health care.

this is not about the claims for additional moneys for welfare..I do not know enough about that, so i defer to Tank that it may be necessary still.

Posted by: ladyLiberty

November 29, 2012 at 3:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

RE "How many people do any of these posters personally know that are on SSI disability? I have a friends that are. Some are legitimate, but I can tell you for sure that four of them are perfectly healthy."
Have you reported these friends of yours yet, or are you willing to privately let fraud slide for friends while publicly decrying it?

An investigation might well find that your friends are not perfectly healthy after all, and that would settle the matters of whether these friends are sleazy people, and whether you are a hypocrite..

I know a few people who are on SSI, and not a one of them is a fraudster. Lucky me, I guess.

Posted by: AlphaCat

November 29, 2012 at 4:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Sleazy is as sleazy does...Forest Gump

Happy now FreeSmoker

Posted by: Moneymyst

November 29, 2012 at 4:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

"I can tell you for sure that four of them are perfectly healthy."
My hunch, Jeffieboy, is that the three women you know who have been diagnosed bi-polar are a lot of fun to be with when they are in the manic phase--wild and crazy--but you don't have much to do with them when they are deeply depressed.
Like AlphaCat, I don't know any frauds on SSI.

Posted by: Coralie

November 30, 2012 at 1:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

ladyliberty says "if maybe it was a law that the mentally ill could not marry or have children or some other deterant..."
Please think through that one again.
How are you going to define "mentally ill"?
A very large proportion of us have some kind of disturbance in the course of our lives that could be classified as mental illness.

Posted by: Coralie

November 30, 2012 at 4:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

>>By the way the poster that said that it comes from the general fund unlike social security needs to check facts. All of social security was moved out of trust into the general fund under Lyndon Johnson a long, long time ago.<<

You haven't a clue how government budgeting works, do you. JFK/LBJ moved the "surplus" of SS funds to general budget by way of issuing bonds for the amount borrowed from S.S. Later Pres GW Bush would call these bonds "worthless pieces of paper,"
but he continued to move the funds from them into his budget.

Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is funded from the general budget of the U.S. Treasury not from specific contributions from workers like S.S.

President Richard Nixon (R) created the SSI program. He signed it into law October 30, 1972.
So much for your liberal-labeling propaganda.

Posted by: cdawg

November 30, 2012 at 8:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

>>How many people do any of these posters personally know that are on SSI disability?<

I have a step-brother who receives SSI benefits of about $550 mo. He lives in my late mother's home. He's autistic. It's not enough to live on so his 3 step brothers provide the balance. Like many autistic persons he shows genius in some areas and infantile behavior in others. He can read music and play Chopin well on my mother's piano. He cannot count change from a $1 bill. He can't count to 100. He can't cross a street without assistance. He washes dishes and puts them away flawlessly. He sometimes wears wet clothes because by his count they should come out of the clothes dryer at a certain time no matter how large the load.

I have cousin in her 50s who receives SSI. She is raising two of her grandchildren. She was receiving a small S.S. check on her late hubby and did not apply for SSI. When the grandchildren's parents were killed in a car accident then came to live with her she applied for SSI. She and the children attend church every week.
She was always against government handouts even though she was born with a deformed foot. She knew she deserved her Social Security because she and her late hubby paid for it over the years.

That's my two SSI stories.

Posted by: cdawg

November 30, 2012 at 8:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

coralie,
what mental illness may qualify for a deterrant that may include not marrying or having children.
well,
i was thinking if a person is ill enough to qualify for SSI due to a mental illness than that person should also have some social consequences about responsible roles like marriage and parenting.
i am sure some bipolar folks do need the disability funding and help but should also not be parents if they are that ill. if you know any bipolar spouses, as you have said you do., also the others on this blog, then you must know how horrible it is to be married to them or to be their parent. i am thinking if we want the SSI and are brave enought to accept the title of disable, then we should also have a social deterrant to claim that status so that those who are not actually that ill but claim it for the money, they will think 2ce about claiming a fraudelant illness. being responsible is good to help yourself by admitting you need help and funds, but responsible is also not inflicting that on others like spouses and children.
coralie,
it is ok to disagree with me. i admire and respect your posts the most of all. and will seriously think about your point of view.
i hate to say this about the ill, and know America will never pass any legislation restricting anyone to marry or have children, due to harsh laws in other countries with respect to mental illness.
but i have a heart for children born into disfunctional homes whenever it is not necessary.

Posted by: ladyLiberty

December 1, 2012 at 8:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Lady Liberty, I understand your concern for the children in dysfunctional families, having seen many tragic situations.
But who would we give the power to decide which people will make bad parents?
That is a very slippery slope indeed.
There are bad parents who have never been diagnosed with any particular mental illness. They are careless and irresponsible, or maybe they are bullies--not usually considered a mental illness.
Also many people who are mentally ill are harder on themselves than others.
I must add that my bi-polar husband had four children by a previous marriage, and they all turned out quite well.

Posted by: Coralie

December 1, 2012 at 12:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal )