Lawmakers: Data-storage plan no good

Three at odds with Obama on shrinking the NSA’s role

In this Jan. 17, 2014, photo, President Barack Obama Talks about National Security Agency surveillance at the Justice Department in Washington. Obamas orders to change some U.S. surveillance practices put the burden on Congress to deal with a national security controversy that has alarmed Americans and outraged foreign allies. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

In this Jan. 17, 2014, photo, President Barack Obama Talks about National Security Agency surveillance at the Justice Department in Washington. Obamas orders to change some U.S. surveillance practices put the burden on Congress to deal with a national security controversy that has alarmed Americans and outraged foreign allies. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

Monday, January 20, 2014

WASHINGTON - A chief element of President Barack Obama’s attempt to overhaul U.S. surveillance will not work, leaders of Congress’ intelligence committees said Sunday, pushing back against the idea that the government should cede control of how Americans’ phone records are stored.

Obama, under pressure to calm the contention over government spying, said Friday that he wants bulk phone data stored outside the government to reduce the risk that the records will be abused. The president said he will require a special judge’s advance approval before intelligence agencies can examine someone’s data and will force analysts to keep their searches closer to suspected terrorists or organizations.

“And I think that’s a very difficult thing,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said Sunday. “Because the whole purpose of this program is to provide instantaneous information to be able to disrupt any plot that may be taking place.”

Under the surveillance program, the agency gathers phone numbers called and the length of conversations, but not the content of the calls. Obama said the agency sometimes needs to tap those records to find people linked to suspected terrorists. But he said eventually the bulk data should be stored somewhere out of the government’s hands. That could mean finding a way for phone companies to store the records, though some companies have balked at the idea, or it could mean creating a third-party entity to hold the records.

Feinstein said many Americans don’t understand that threats persist a dozen years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. “New bombs are being devised. New terrorists are emerging, new groups. Actually, a new level of viciousness. And I think we need to be prepared,” Feinstein said.

Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, and Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, who heads the House Homeland Security Committee, also raised doubts about eliminating the National Security Agency’s role in collecting the data.

“Who has the capability other than NSA to handle that kind of data other than the private phone carriers, and they don’t want it,” McCaul said.

Rogers warned about the possibility of privacy abuses if Congress, the courts and other government agencies are not involved in overseeing the data collection.

“If you move all that to the private sector, you lose all that review,” said Rogers, adding that phone companies are “there to provide services to their customers, not work for the government.”

Rogers said Obama had intensified a sense of uncertainty about the country’s ability to root out terrorist threats. Obama didn’t say who should have control of Americans’ data; he directed the attorney general and director of national intelligence to find a solution within 60 days.

“We really did need a decision on Friday, and what we got was lots of uncertainty,” Rogers said. “And just in my conversations over the weekend with intelligence officials, this new level of uncertainty is already having a bit of an impact on our ability to protect Americans by finding terrorists who are trying to reach into the United States.”

The lawmakers did praise the president for his defense of the National Security Agency’s surveillance programs. “First, I thought it was very important that the president laid out no abuses, this was not an illegal program, it wasn’t a rogue agency,” Rogers said.

The surveillance programs have been under fire since former National Security Agency analyst Edward Snowden absconded with an estimated 1.7 million documents related to surveillance and other NSA operations, giving the documents to journalists around the world. Revelations in the documents sparked a furor over whether Americans have been giving up privacy protections in exchange for intelligence-gathering on terrorism.

Congress will have a lot of say in how and whether Obama’s ideas are carried out.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt. and chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, has proposed to end the NSA’s bulk data collection program, putting him at odds with his fellow Democrat Feinstein on the issue. Leahy said senators would have many questions for Attorney General Eric Holder when he appears before the Judiciary Committee next week.

Yet Leahy suggested Sunday that he might not fight the president on allowing the NSA’s surveillance programs to continue.

“No, I think we have a way that we could do this, but it’s not a question of fighting the president,” Leahy said on Fox. “The question is, what is Congress going to do on this? … I just think that there should be an oversight.

“I mean, I was a prosecutor for eight years; I believe in going after the bad guys,” Leahy said. “And I realize this is an entirely different level of the bad guys that I went after, but you still have to have some checks and balances, or you have a government that can run amok.”

McCaul said that Obama was moving in the right direction.

“I think what gave most Americans heartburn was that this data was being stored under the NSA and warehoused under the government,” said McCaul.

But McCaul allowed, “I think it’s very difficult to decide who has the capability to store and use this data.”

Sen. Mark Udall, D-Colo., another critic of the NSA surveillance program, praised the president’s ideas and said the limitations Obama proposed mean that “we won’t collect every American’s phone records almost every day.”

Udall, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said Congress has a real motivation to make meaningful changes to the program because authority to conduct the spying under post-9/11 laws expires next year. “So we have real motivation to get it right and to work together,” Udall said.

Feinstein and Rogers appeared on NBC’s Meet the Press. Rogers also appeared on CNN’s State of the Union and CBS’ Face the Nation. Leahy appeared on Fox News Sunday. McCaul appeared on ABC’s This Week. Udall appeared on CBS.

Information for this article was contributed by David S. Cloud of the Tribune Washington Bureau.

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