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Spitting into the wind

Posted: October 1, 2013 at 4:29 a.m.

At this writing it seems quite possible that, on this very momentous morning, the federal government will shut down as Obamacare will begin.

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The Democrats are totally responsible for the events of the day. Obama is willing to negotiate with foreign leaders but not his own Congress. That is a disgrace! The GOP has been very instrumental in avoiding the train wreck.

Mark Pryor's votes will be remembered next year. Attention has been drawn to him nationally over this Democratic debacle.

Posted by: footballfan

October 1, 2013 at 12:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

What can I say...It's hard to debate what's footballfan's saying.

Posted by: Nilatir

October 1, 2013 at 1:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

RE "The GOP has been very instrumental in avoiding the train wreck."
The ones who voted against it, anyway.

Posted by: AlphaCat

October 1, 2013 at 1:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

RE "The GOP has been very instrumental in avoiding the train wreck."
The ones who voted against it, anyway.

RE "this Democratic debacle."
You're probably out of step with the real world:

"October 1, 2013 - American Voters Reject GOP Shutdown Strategy 3-1, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Dems Up 9 Points In 2014 Congressional Races

"American voters oppose 72 - 22 percent Congress shutting down the federal government to block implementation of the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today.

"Voters also oppose 64 - 27 percent blocking an increase in the nation's debt ceiling as a way to stop Obamacare, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds.

"American voters are divided on Obamacare, with 45 percent in favor and 47 percent opposed, but they are opposed 58 - 34 percent to Congress cutting off funding for the health care law to stop its implementation.

"Republicans support the federal government shutdown by a narrow 49 - 44 percent margin, but opposition is 90 - 6 percent among Democrats and 74 - 19 percent among independent voters."

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-...

Posted by: AlphaCat

October 1, 2013 at 1:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Brummett doesn't get it as usual. All that vitriol and he has forgotten that this "spitting in the wind" as he calls it by Republicans has never stopped, not since day one when the legislation passed. It didn't get a single vote from anyone except a democrat, and it didn't get all of those. Now that's a hijacking.

Actually nothing has changed except the make up of the House. From their perspective Republicans are simply trying to right a wrong they perceive that was committed 6 years ago.

The tantrums the Democrats are throwing is because they no longer have the supermajority that allowed them to hijack the legislative branch and pass this monstrosity of an act in the first place.

Too bad, times change and that is what it is all about. Crying about it won't change anything and then there is the idea that any legislation that doesn't benefit the majority of the voters is as suspicious as any other special interest earmark.

The big winners are the insurance companies that now have a large captive audience of an additional 40 million customers nationwide and half a million new marks in Arkansas. This "Obamacare" thing won't benefit most of the people at all and for many does more harm than good. Typical of progressive liberal thinking and ideals it is the most flawed and damaging piece of legislation in modern times.

It needs to go.

Posted by: jeffieboy

October 1, 2013 at 5:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

"It's hard to debate what's footballfan's saying."
It's hard to UNDERSTAND what footballfan's saying.
The Senate and Congress are supposed to negotiate with each other, not the President.
In what way has the GOP tried to avoid the train wreck of closing down the government?
.
The ACA was first proposed by a conservative think tank and a similar system was set up in Massachusetts several years ago--it is working well. So why is the ACA such a terrible piece of legislation?

Posted by: Coralie

October 1, 2013 at 6:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

You don't like the insurance companies being part of the ACA, jeffieboy, and I don't either.
But I never heard you or any Republicans coming out for a single payer system that leaves out the insurance companies.

Posted by: Coralie

October 1, 2013 at 6:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

The bicameral legislative system is working the way it was designed to. I am concerned about a whole lot of folks not getting paid and the included second and third order effects and all however. Everything will all work out in the end though. As much as people bitch and complain about how our political machine works, it's better than solving all our domestic issues with coups and endless civil wars.

http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/ke...

Posted by: Tankersley101

October 1, 2013 at 6:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Boozeman's and Womack's strategy is working perfectly, that is, if this is their strategy:

"Killing Obamacare Is Killing The Republican Party"
"...the number of Americans willing to directly identify with the Republican Party... has been declining fairly steadily for the last several years. The latest poll from Pew Research Center — perhaps the most reliable of all pollsters — has the GOP down to only 19 percent identification:
Chart: http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/u...
Article: http://tinyurl.com/n2bnoj2

Brummet: "John Boozman and Steve Womack belied their previously sensible rhetoric...">>

Via Alphacat, let's cite that rhetoric:

Steve Womack posted in his congressional blog on 6 September:
"Even though this law is a train wreck, attaching legislation such as H.R. 2682 to a continuing resolution (CR) is not the way to go about dismantling the law.
"Why?
"Because doing so would require the House to take hostage the rest of the government and require us to shoot it."
What changed? Why, the Teabaggers went into tantrum mode, and Mr. Womack had to join them.
http://womack.house.gov/news/document...

Oh, and another accomplishment of the republican government shut down the wife just told me about:

A friend's brother is in the Peace Corp, three years are over in two weeks. He'll have no place live, no income (last check tied up). In two weeks no income, no place to live and no way to get home. He's in Armenia.

And 800,000 furloughed. Thanks Teabaggers. Looks good on ya.

Posted by: fayfreethinker

October 1, 2013 at 7:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

The big train wreck is yet to come - take your pick, when Obamacare is really understood, not enough doctors and not the low cost & same doctors promised or #2 when we approach the debt ceiling date and, possibly, everything shutting down when we lose our credit rating. It is just starting.

Libs hated the division between the rich and poor, now you will really see a bigger division, when only the rich can find a good doctor without waiting weeks.

Posted by: mycentworth

October 1, 2013 at 8:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

800,000 furloughed is not a "Teabagger" problem. It is an American problem with plenty of blame to go around. Funny, you aren't puking the standard MIC line right now. Thanks for the support of our civilian work force, FFT.

Posted by: Tankersley101

October 1, 2013 at 8:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Teabaggers have done nothing but want this government to quit spending. Anyone with common sense knows we can't survive with the way things are going. The only negotiators were the Republicans. The dems wanted a shut down from the get go, so they could blame the Republicans. They couldn't care less about the people.

Posted by: mycentworth

October 1, 2013 at 9:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Political posturing and the echoing of it from dishonest Bolsheviks is the order of the day.

Posted by: Tankersley101

October 1, 2013 at 9:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Myc: "The big train wreck is yet to come">>

That goes in the dead letter file next to your "Jesus is yet to come" claim.

Myc: "when Obamacare is really understood,">>

Actually, I understand it right now. You always reveal that you don't understand any topic you go on about. Start here: http://www.obamacarefacts.com/

If you've got 6 minutes, this cartoon from Kaiser is more your speed. It explains the situation nicely "What Obamacare means for you"
http://kff.org/health-reform/video/yo...

Myc: "not enough doctors">

Let's see, wealthiest nation on earth spending double what 30 of our peer nations do, pays our doc's typically 2x to 3x what they do, but shucks, we just can't find away to get healthcare to 48 million citizens? Are you suggesting America is really that pathetic? We've clearly been that pathetic, but it's long past time to do something about it and stop Kowtowing to the political whores like Womack and Boozeman. It's time to allow people to enter the system and contribute toward a healthcare system they can access. The ACA does this and 2.8 million people tried to access the system, today.

Myc: "and not the low cost">

Why don't you, for once, actually attempt to back up something you say? Because your track record couldn't be more perfectly set as being a person who doesn't know WTF they are talking about.

Myc: "everything shutting down when we lose our credit rating.">>

Actually, I think this republican hostage taking event (Womack's words, not mine) won't last very long. There is a very small contingent of wingnuts that can actually fall for this notion that one little pack of mouth breathing knuckle draggers in one half of one branch of government, who are only there because they gerrymandered their way, should be able to kybosh established law and the nation because of a temper tantrum over a law that has been ran on and fought over, and decided by the electorate (as McCain said). This congress has an approval rating of 10% and dropping. And an 87% disapproval rating. They have no mandate. They are loathed.

Myc: "now... only the rich can find a good doctor without waiting...">>

You're an idiot. Right now we have tens of millions who avoid healthcare because they will be hosed or bankrupted due to not having insurance. You have almost no information bouncing around in your noggin, and what little there is, is false. It's embarrassing.

Sorry, I've just had it with the evil stupid. No mercy for the know nothings today.

Myc: "The dems wanted a shut down from the get go">>

Let's ask your Bachmann:

"Michele Bachmann “very excited” about the government shutdown, “It’s exactly what we wanted”
"Republicans have wanted a government shutdown since before President Obama took office and none epitomize that as much as Michele Bachmann,...
she was “very excited” about the prospect.
She further said, “It’s exactly what we wanted, and we got it.” http://tinyurl.com/nhnxsn6

Posted by: fayfreethinker

October 1, 2013 at 10 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Simple graphic. Cost without health insurance versus planned doctor visit:

http://img.webmd.com/dtmcms/live/webm...

Further excellent overview of basic information from WebMD:

http://www.webmd.com/health-insurance...

Simple. Shut off the FOX, get informed rather than disinformed.

Posted by: fayfreethinker

October 1, 2013 at 10:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

That's the point freebie. They are informed. Your propaganda is useless against justice and truth.

Posted by: jeffieboy

October 1, 2013 at 11:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

"dishonest Bolsheviks "
Ridiculous hyperbole misapplied to the very people who DON"T want to shut down the government.

If the affordablea care plan wasn't a "train wreck" in Massachusetts, why is it one in the USA?

"The only negotiators were the Republicans."
I believe mycent would call a ransom note from the kidnappers a negotiation.

"The bicameral legislative system is working the way it was designed to."
Shutting down the government?
Perhaps (in two weeks) defaulting on the debt and plunging the world's economic system into chaos?
How come it hasn't "worked" like this before in my lifetime (60+ years of voting)?

Posted by: Coralie

October 2, 2013 at 3:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal )