Political Tone, Attacks Damage US

Posted: May 16, 2013 at 5 a.m.

I still believe public service in government is an honorable and important pursuit.

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I could not agree more with this writer. I'm so fed up with DC and the politicians who are sent there to do the people's business. All they do is their own party business - the heck with the people. Some of the more recently elected are the worst, e.g. Womack, Cotton.

Posted by: arkietraveler

May 16, 2013 at 6:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Well said Woody. How about you start helping to make that change by putting yourself up as a candidate for office? I've long thought you should run.

Posted by: mirwin

May 16, 2013 at 9:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

It's a tiresome refrain that feeds into shallow impressions of what actually happens in the House and Senate.
"Both parties cater to their bases on the far right and the far left, making it almost impossible for compromise."
First off, the Democratic party's base is not on the "far left." Unless the "far left" is defined as anything left of Southern segregationists, Dixiecrats, Blue Dogs, or the "Solid South" of the first half of the 20th century.

Posted by: Coralie

May 16, 2013 at 11:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

If the Democrats are "far left" then I guess the majority of voters are far left, at least in the last two presidential elections.
Which is pretty illogical, since it would make the far left into the middle..

Posted by: Coralie

May 16, 2013 at 11:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

What is meant by "far left" anyway?
Maybe somebody could list the measures they regard as far left?
I haven't heard the President or Congress propose to nationalize the oil industry.
Norway has nationalized their oil industry, and Norway is at the top of per capita GDP.
Still, Norway has a lot of big and little private businesses and many coops, so it's not socialist in terms of a command economy..

Posted by: Coralie

May 16, 2013 at noon ( | suggest removal )

Also if someone really follows the political news instead of parroting these words, slogans, and talking points, they will note that 90% of the resistance to compromise is on the Republican side.
The Republican definition of compromise is "My way or the highway."

Posted by: Coralie

May 16, 2013 at 12:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Coralie, The far left is the Occupy Wall Street group and the recent rioters in CA, I believe it was. They are disorderly, want to cause chaos instead of getting a job.

Now you tell me who the 'far right' is? I've been wondering that.

Posted by: mycent

May 16, 2013 at 12:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

"Our two major political parties, Republicans and Democrats, seem to care more about winning the next election than honestly and effectively addressing the serious issues and difficult problems facing our country.".

With great respect I must humbly agree. It is all about power and it's preservation regardless of the outcomes for those that are expected to pay. Both poitical parties are corrupt and so wrong it is difficult for a committed and rational patriot to bear.

You go Woody, run for office. I think it is important that any representative understands the law and I know you do. That was apparent in the outcomes of the latest Arkansas legislature. "Fart, slug, spit, vomit!". They apparently have poor legal representation.

But simply having the law isn't enough. The law must serve not only the rule of it, but justice. It must not pervert justice as it often does. And who knows that better than an experienced lawyer? One with a rational and legal mind.....who? I know you know plenty about that.

Tell Bob and Paul I love them and appreciate our meanderings into legal philosophy. I know you, sir. And I really wish you would take it to the next level. If you do you will have all the support I can muster!

Posted by: jeffieboy

May 16, 2013 at 7:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Coralie, I've been watching for an answer to who are the far right? Really, I want to know.

Posted by: mycent

May 17, 2013 at 8:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Compromise is not a worthy objective especially when to do so is to cause harm. The way people are throwing the word "compromise" and the phrase "they won't work with me" around is dumb.

If they are speeding a train down the tracks toward a chasm with the bridge out there is no compromise. There is no let's just slow it down some. The only reasonable action to take is to stop the stupid train. There is no compromise, at least none that is rational.

Posted by: jeffieboy

May 18, 2013 at 1:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

What the left calls compromise, is my way or no way.

Posted by: mycent

May 18, 2013 at 8:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Jeffieboy, Maybe you will answer my question. Who is the far right?

Posted by: mycent

May 18, 2013 at 8:09 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

I have no idea "cents" and frankly don't care. Left or right doesn't matter to me beyond the fact that both are a mess and not worthy of leadership roles of any kind where policy is made.

Posted by: jeffieboy

May 18, 2013 at 11:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

I know what you are saying, you don't like religion, but the right is for freedom of religion and one thing for sure, I would trust a right wing person that believes in a moral God, over one that does not.

Posted by: mycent

May 18, 2013 at 11:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

I never trust anyone that puts their faith in some thousand of years old concept designed to control people (Christianity). I trust those that put their complete trust in religions much younger even less (Islam). The newer the religion the more rediculous it is (various branches of Christianity starting with Roman Catholics through Martin Luther and moving up to Smith and the Mormons). These modern forms that are really just massive tax free businesses that meddle in politics are even worse.

Posted by: jeffieboy

May 18, 2013 at 11:43 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

I will agree with part of that. When religions start adding their own laws to the message the apostles of a couple thousand years ago, that is a problem.

Posted by: mycent

May 18, 2013 at 12:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Jeffie says"Compromise is not a worthy objective..."
Without compromise, we might as well not have a political system and just go straight to a dictator.
Politics is all about compromise.
If you don't like politics, what do you suggest as the alternative?

Posted by: Coralie

May 18, 2013 at 12:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

mycent gives example of far left: "the Occupy Wall Street group and the recent rioters in CA, I believe it was. They are disorderly, want to cause chaos instead of getting a job. "
Sorry, I seem to have missed any recent riot in California, don't know what you are talking about there.
I know several local Occupy people and they all had/have jobs. Nor were they trying to cause chaos unless you regard camping out as causing chaos. They cooperated with the Fayetteville police who cooperated with them.
The camping out was a dramatic way of making their voices heard. It has been used several times before in history, such as the Bonus Marchers in 1932. These were World War I veterans who had been promised a bonus more than a decade before, and now they really needed it in the depths of the Depression. They set up a large tent-city on the outskirts of DC, but were violently driven out by the Army, under Gen. Douglas MacArthur.
Despite the propaganda that Occupiers were rebels without a cause, they had several distinct issues such as a constitutional amendment that would define "persons" as actual flesh-and-blood people rather than corporations.
However, this is not what has traditionally been called the "far left."

Posted by: Coralie

May 18, 2013 at 12:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Why you shouldn't throw around the term FAR LEFT:
A Wikipedia article says: "In the USA, [two scholars] have identified the Communist Party USA, Socialist Workers Party (United States), Black Panther Party, Students for a Democratic Society and Progressive Labor Party (United States) as some of the groups active on what he refers to as the 'far-left'."
However, none of these groups is currently very active. They were in the news decades ago. And were never more than a very small minority.
"In France, the term extrême-gauche ("far left") is a generally accepted term for political groups to the left of the French Communist Party (such as Trotskyists, Maoists and New Leftist).
To the left of the Communist Party!

Posted by: Coralie

May 18, 2013 at 1:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

"The terms far right, or extreme right, describe the broad range of political groups and ideologies usually taken to be further to the right of the mainstream center-right on the traditional left-right spectrum. Far right politics usually involves strong support for social hierarchy and social conservatism as well as opposition to most forms of liberalism and socialism. Both terms are also used to describe Nazi and fascist movements, and other groups who hold extreme nationalist, xenophobic, racist, religious fundamentalist or reactionary views The most extreme-right movements have pursued oppression and genocide against groups of people on the basis of their alleged inferiority....
Cas Mudde identified five key features – nationalism, racism, xenophobia, anti-democracy and the belief in a strong state – based on the fact that they appear in 50% of the definitions of the extreme-right that he surveyed."
Far right extremists in the U.S. are often in the militia movement or various hate groups, and may be involved in domestic terrorism or hate crimes.

Posted by: Coralie

May 18, 2013 at 1:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

"Far right extremists in the U.S. are often in the militia movement or various hate groups, and may be involved in domestic terrorism or hate crimes"

The term "may" is not proof, but opinion. All groups have a few crazies. What I am saying is the far left is much more disorderly, and destructive as shown by Occupy Wall Street gathering compared to the organized Tea Party rally..

Posted by: mycent

May 18, 2013 at 2:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

MyC: "All groups have a few crazies... the far left is much more disorderly, and destructive...">>

Spare me. You don't know much MyCent but at least the vast majority of what you do know is completely wrong. Let us know when you have anything comparable to this:

As of about a year ago, since September 11, seventy-five Americans have been killed in the US by right-wing homegrown domestic terrorists.

That is to say, 77% of domestic deaths have been caused by conservative rightwing terrorists (the remainder, Islamic). See an extensive collection of examples here: http://tinyurl.com/4jzjbfa

Go here to see a map of the over 1,000 hate groups in America, the vast majority (almost without exception) right-wing, conservative and Christian: http://tinyurl.com/yfc49c6

Here are about 100 detailed and referenced examples of rightwing violence here: http://tinyurl.com/2ehfkks

Your turn.

Posted by: fayfreethinker

May 18, 2013 at 3:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

"Jeffie says"Compromise is not a worthy objective..."
Without compromise, we might as well not have a political system and just go straight to a dictator.
Politics is all about compromise.
If you don't like politics, what do you suggest as the alternative?"

Easy to answer, Coralie. Life and the integrity of a nation is not a playground and social experimentation is inappropriate because in it's current form of it violates the fundamental principles of individual freedom, self determination, true representation, and personal responsibility.

Compromise is not an option when it results in harm to or abridgement of any of these principles. When it does it is not a reasonable option. When politics dictate such notions they invalidate their uselfullness or ability to be deserving of merit.

Therefore compromise in the current political environment is not an option and no amount of argument over details of "who dun whut to who or when" makes any difference. When both do harm they are automatically invalidated and no longer important to any debate, nor do they serve any useful purpose.

In short, stupid on stupid is stupid.

Posted by: jeffieboy

May 18, 2013 at 4:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jeffie, do you believe in our current system of govrnment or would you abolish Congress? (and also City Councils, County Quorum Courts, and State Legislatures)
If you would keep these structures, how do you expect them to operate without the use of compromise?
"“Compromise, if not the spice of life, is its solidity. It is what makes nations great and marriages happy”
― Phyllis McGinley

Posted by: Coralie

May 19, 2013 at 4:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal )


What is far right?

"Club for Growth."
"Sons of Liberty"
"White Citizens' Council"
"National Socialist Movement"

Posted by: cdawg

May 19, 2013 at 5:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Never heard of any of them. Must have taken quite the web search.

Posted by: mycent

May 20, 2013 at 7:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

mycentworth, it is time you learned how to do your own research.
Put "www.google.com" in the address line.
When you get to google, put a couple words in the search bar such as "far right" or "define far right".
There are several online dictionaries.
To pick the more credible sources for further information, look for "edu" in the address line (it means the information comes from somebody at a university) or look for a respected news source such as BBC, NY Times, Washington Post, AP, or Reuters in the address line. Wikipedia is a good place to start. It is not quite as reliable as Encyclopedia Britannica but covers more subjects.
If you have enough time to watch Fox News, you have enough time to broaden your mind on the Internet.
The White Citizens' Councils were very much in the news during the Civil Rights era but maybe you're too young to remember it.
The Club for Growth is very much in the news now. Wikipedia says "The Club for Growth is a fiscally conservative 501(c)4 organization active in the United States of America, with an agenda focused on cutting taxes and other economic issues. The Club has two political arms: an affiliated traditional Political Action Committee called the Club for Growth PAC and Club for Growth Action, an independent-expenditure only committee or Super-PAC. According to its website, the Club for Growth's policy goals include cutting income tax rates, repealing the estate tax, limited government and a Balanced Budget Amendment, entitlement reform, free trade, tort reform, school choice, and deregulation. The Club for Growth PAC endorses and raises money for fiscally conservative candidates."
Took me seconds to find it under the name Club for Growth.

Posted by: Coralie

May 20, 2013 at 1:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

"The National Socialist Movement (NSM) is a white supremacist party operating in the United States and around the world. ... In 2009 the NSM had 61 chapters in 35 states, making it the largest neo-Nazi group in the United States according to the Southern Poverty Law Center."
Although quite a small group it has been involved in several violent incidents
"On May 1, 2011, Jeff Hall, a leader of the California branch of the NSM, was killed by his ten-year-old son. Hall had previously run in 2010 for a seat on the board of directors of a Riverside County water board, a race in which he earned about 30% of the vote." [Now that's scary.]

Posted by: Coralie

May 20, 2013 at 2 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Coralie, I believe Fox News over most of the stuff on the web. I trust them to research, which I don't trust many of the websites. I know how to "google", Coralie, and I do use it. Now watch, some will twist this to say I take everything from Fox, which is not true. I watch CNN, also, but learn things first from FOX because most news media are slack in reporting news hurtful to Obama.

Posted by: mycent

May 21, 2013 at 10:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

MyC: "I believe Fox News over most of the stuff on the web.">>

It really shows.

"Study Confirms: Fox News Makes You Stupid"

"So the more you watch, the less you know. Or to be precise, the more you think you know that is actually false. This study corroborates a previous PIPA study that focused on the Iraq war with similar results. [And] NBC/Wall Street Journal poll that demonstrated the break with reality on the part of Fox viewers with regard to health care." http://tinyurl.com/25wfsct

Also: "Those who watched Fox News almost daily were significantly more likely than those who never watched it to believe that things that are false. See list here: http://tinyurl.com/6h9xv5q

"Fox News' Top 10 Climate Science Distortions And Fabrications" http://tinyurl.com/4cmlrjv

That last link (which provides reference for all of it's claims of course, unlike the swill MyC is watching on Fox) is quite breathtaking. The lies Fox peddles on climate issues are absolutely shameless, disgraceful and unworthy of a first world nation.

Posted by: fayfreethinker

May 21, 2013 at 11:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

"most of the stuff on the web"
Of course the web is full of everything, I was trying to show you how to be more discerning.
Why on earth do you believe FOX News does more research than BBC, for instance?
What do you know about FOX News?
Do you know that its 2nd largest shareholder is Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal?

Posted by: Coralie

May 21, 2013 at 2:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal )


" If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come he made them out of meat. "


Posted by: rummy

May 21, 2013 at 5:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Far Right "Arkansas Politics"

Posted by: troutjig

May 21, 2013 at 9:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Coralie, I just trust Fox much more, not so much the amount of research they do, but I'm sure they research and look for truth.

Can a company stop anyone from buying their stock if on the market? I don't think so. They are just helping support Fox; it apparently doesn't affect their programming. You still hear many things you do not in the other media. I am golng to check out BBC, but I'm sure I will always watch FOX, I hope they can stay strong in this wicked world. God Bless them.

Posted by: mycent

May 22, 2013 at 7:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

I'm listening to FOX right now. Did you know that the shooter of Fort Hood is still collecting his government paycheck (our money), and it is not a small amount. Such a country!

Posted by: mycent

May 22, 2013 at 8:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal )


Concerning Fox News there is a reason you hear many things on Fox that you don't in other media, it's because it isn't true. Fox lies, distorts, exacerbates, rumor mongers, makes up things, and quotes crap on blogs. Fox doesn't research their news they have one agenda and that is to bad mouth, run down and lie about the president and Democrats. I have forced myself to watch Fox and Friends and have determined the writters on Saturday Night Live couldn't do it better. Watching Fox will suck the brain cells right out of your head.



Posted by: rummy

May 22, 2013 at 12:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal )


Posted by: rummy

May 22, 2013 at 12:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Just like the dems - Lerner pleads the 5th after she already stated her innocence. Now, no right to cross questions?? Ridiculous. Oh, of course, nothing will be done. They get by with ANYTHING!!!!!

Those people were harassed beyond reason by the IRS and nothing is done. God bring us justice, please.

Posted by: mycent

May 22, 2013 at 1:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bobs - Why don't you watch Megyn Kelly or Bret Baier? Afraid of the truth by honest journalism?

Posted by: mycent

May 22, 2013 at 1:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

MyC: "Those people were harassed beyond reason by the IRS and nothing is done.">>

Nothing will be done because your scandal is phony. Turn on your brain, turn off the Fox box.

Here's why it's phony:

"The Latest Lie: IRS Targeted Conservatives"

"This... is one more right-wing victimization fable, repeated endlessly until the public has no choice except to believe it.

Conservative Groups Were Not "Targeted," "Singled Out" Or Anything Else

You are hearing that conservative groups were "targeted." What you are not hearing is that progressive groups were also "targeted." So were groups that are not progressive or conservative.

All that happened here is that groups applying to the IRS for special tax status were checked to see if they were engaged in political activity. They were checked, not targeted. Only one-third of the groups checked were conservative groups.

Once again: Only one-third of the groups checked were conservative groups.

Conservative groups were not "singled out," were not "targeted" and in the end none were denied special tax status – even though many obviously should have been.

From last week's House hearings: Rep. Peter Roskam, R-IL: "How come only conservative groups got snagged?"

Outgoing acting IRS commissioner Steve Miller:
"They didn't sir. Organizations of all walks and all persuasions were pulled in. That’s shown by the fact that only 70 of the 300 organizations were tea party organizations, of the ones that were looked at by TIGTA [Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration]."

And from Bloomberg reporting: IRS Sent Same Letter to Democrats That Fed Tea Party Row,...

One of those groups, Emerge America, saw its tax-exempt status denied, forcing it to disclose its donors and pay some taxes. None of the Republican groups have said their applications were rejected. Progress Texas ... faced the same lines of questioning as the Tea Party groups from the same IRS office that issued letters to the Republican-friendly applicants. A third group, Clean Elections Texas, which supports public funding of campaigns, also received IRS inquiries.

In a statement late yesterday, the tax agency said it had pooled together the politically active nonpartisan applicants -- including a “minority” that were identified because of their names. “It is also important to understand that the group of centralized cases included organizations of all political views,” the IRS said in its statement.

Again, for emphasis: "It is also important to understand that the group of centralized cases included organizations of all political views,” the IRS said in its statement."

Posted by: fayfreethinker

May 22, 2013 at 5:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal )


" Only dead fish go with the flow "

Posted by: rummy

May 22, 2013 at 6:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

FFT - Typical - deny and lie.

Posted by: mycent

May 22, 2013 at 6:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

MyC: "Typical - deny and lie.">>

Typical. Duck and run from addressing a reality because it is inconvenient to what you would like to believe.

What lie MyCent? Be specific. And be careful to not bear false witness and reveal yourself to be a liar while you're at it. As the good book says:

"There are six things that the LORD strongly dislikes, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers." --Proverbs 6:16–19

"These so called not for profit Tea Party groups deserved more scrutiny by the IRS, not because they are Republican, but because 100% of them are in fact in violation of the law. Tax exempt groups are supposed to be tax exempt because they are "charitable" or "social welfare organizations". The organizations are supposed to be feeding the poor or the sick.

But that's not what they are doing. These Tea Party groups are laundering money so that rich people can give campaign contributions to help candidates and deduct it from their taxes. So saying that they are targeting the Tea Party is like accusing law enforcement of targeting bank robbers. That's what they are supposed to do."
-- Marc Perkel

Posted by: fayfreethinker

May 22, 2013 at 9:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

>>FFT - Typical - deny and lie.
Posted by: mycentworth<

mycent, you can go to C-Span and watch the testimony.
I watched the House inquiry live, on C-Span.
That's exactly what former acting Commissioner Steve Miller said. They targeted several groups.

What's really missing from the Crooks & Liars report is the reason WHY the IRS was doing it: It's a Congressional mandate. The IRS' walking orders come from the House of Representatives. They pass the legislation and set policy which the IRS must follow.

Posted by: cdawg

May 23, 2013 at 4:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

What I watched, that was so tiresome, was the simple yes/no questions that could not get Miller to answer and Lerner stating her innocence then taking the fifth. The lie, for one, is that they know a lot of things that they don't want to tell.

And another injustice is the stack of paper work given to those questioned and telling them they had 2 WEEKS to get ALL that info, when the govt. took all the time they wanted to get it together. They harassed some for years and it is inexcusable. These are honest, hard-working people and heads should roll.

The only reason WHY the IRS targeted conservatives is political. Because there are liberal groups that claim tax exemption that could also have been questioned, but were not, at least to the extend of the conservatives.

I am so disgusted with this President. The buck stops THERE.

Posted by: mycent

May 23, 2013 at 11:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

I will no longer try to discuss anything with mycentworth because I think this person is incapable of change and is quite self-satisfied in her ignorance.

Posted by: Coralie

May 23, 2013 at 12:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

OK with me, Coralie. Bye.

Posted by: mycent

May 23, 2013 at 1:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

mycentworth, I love you and I'm well-satisfied in my briliance.

Posted by: JailBird

May 23, 2013 at 5:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

I wished the News would post something on Springdales mayor sprouse, I get a hoot out of bad mouthing him. This stuff between Dems and Re -Pubs is getting old. Bad mouthing sprouse never gets old.


Posted by: rummy

May 23, 2013 at 7:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Money - Thanks. I googled RollTideRoll. Never heard of it, but love the song!

Posted by: mycent

May 24, 2013 at 7:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

People who can't read very well, and who are incapable of admitting they are wrong about anything should not be calling other posters "liars."

Posted by: Coralie

May 25, 2013 at 12:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Coralie, I want to go on record that I don't think you're a liar, but you have been wrong a few times.

Posted by: JailBird

May 25, 2013 at 6:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Most Americans don't pay much attention to politics until they really get out of hand. At that point a natural reaction finally happens. I don't enjoy polls because any can be designed to obtain the answers it seeks but the approval rating of congress appears to be even worse than Obama's and both are in the toilet.

Why? As for Congress people are finally paying attention and seeing the corruption that permeates both dominate political parties. As far as Obama and his hand picked gaggle of Ayers advocates go it is more personal but more and more people each day are strongly opposed to Obama's philosophies and intentions.

What can we expect of that? I think both parties along with Obamas criminal overeach have energized most Americans to want anything but what we have. That is a major victory for everyone not Republican or Democrat and has critically, perhaps fatally, damaged progressive liberal agendas.

We shall see what happens come 2014. A lot of it will depend on how well all three of these players manage damage control and clean up thier acts. I think it is too late for Obama and company. They have already hanged themselves. It is somewhat possible Obama won't finish his term (Go Uncle Joe!).

As far as the dominate political parties go, they need to change dramatically and actully figure out what mainstream Americans want. The one that does that best will prevail. I'm guessing it will be the republicans because the Democrats can't capture the emerging groups that garnered so much IRS interested.

The plot thickens. The future will be very interesting to watch. Dynamic events are yet to be revealed. We will have to wait to see what happens. The ball can roll almost anywhere at this point.

Posted by: jeffieboy

May 27, 2013 at 1 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

The republicans aren't perfect and the democrats certainly are not, but the Tea Party is pretty close, at least they realize that we need God in this nation with his love, forgiveness and wisdom. It wasn't that America was so great, it was because we were blessed. God has taken His protection away as we have turned against Him. But, we can get it back.

Posted by: mycent

May 27, 2013 at 1:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Money, if the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it. You haven't even been around for a while.
To clarify: Nobody called ME a liar. I was simply objecting to the level of discussion where somebody accuses others of "lies" just because they have a contrary opinion.
And especially does this while wearing the mantle of godly righteousness.

Posted by: Coralie

May 28, 2013 at 1:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal )