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Veterans Home Cited in Death

Posted: March 21, 2013 at 5 a.m.

Patients, visitors and staff walk Wednesday outside the Fayetteville Veterans Home.

Fayetteville Veterans Home administrators didn’t report a patient’s death from suspected neglect for three weeks in violation of state law, state regulators found.

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This is what occurs when the government runs something. This is what will occur when Obamacare takes over the health care of the entire nation. Stupid is letting Congress approve it, stupid even more grande is not electing congressmen to repeal it.

Posted by: JailBird

March 21, 2013 at 5:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

The VA system sucks. I will challenged the press to really get into the care for the veterans and the death of this vet, but I bet they don't. Couple of stories and the government will do their usual BS and the usual press will go onto other stories.

Why is our local US congressman and senator not demanding a full investigation? Or do they even care?

Posted by: DNC

March 21, 2013 at 6:57 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

I wonder where the RN coverage 24 hours a day, they bost about in their website, was on this day? I'm not an RN, but I have been a care provider for the elderly and the developmentally challenged. I'm appalled at the indifference shown by the staff at this veteran's home. To our veteran who died alone in that veteran's home, You mattered and thank you for the service to our country.

Posted by: BarbaraByler

March 21, 2013 at 7:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Money;

I am sorry but this doesn't have anything to do with The Affordable Health Care Act, you can't predict the future. Some of the provisions of the Act are already implemented and all will be in place soon. Do you even know what is in the law, do you have a clue. This incident with this poor man has no connection with the Health Care Act in any way. You took the opportunity to criticize and push the Tea Party, I am sorry but it is narrow minded, radical opinions like yours that has kept this country from moving forward or accomplishing anything for the people. It is one thing to offer constructive criticism but it is another when you ignor the real problem so you side step the issue then blame it on something you know nothing about. To try to advance your obvious hatred for our President with this argument proves my point.

Money;

Did you read the report published, I did. What I garnered from reading it is that they whole system failed. Many persons involved shoud be fired and sent to jail. The nurse referred to as LPN #1 was terminated because the man dying was her third violation, she was fired because it was her third not because she let this poor man die. Nothing in the report has anything to do with the countries health care law. It seems to me the only people who cared for this poor man was the CNA and the OT, everyone else failed. To say this is governments fault is true, safeguards and rules weren't followed, incompetent employees were at fault, poor management, complacent and lazy employees, and a plethora of other failings occurred. Heads should roll and jail terms are in order, this place should be closed. The incident should be a motivater to review the system as it is and make the changes to prevent it from ever happening again. Are Military Heros deserve better, their familys deserve better, and the country deserve better. This poor man refered to as patient # 5 died alone and neglected, his death should not be ignored. I honor this man and in my opinion he is still serving this country because his death will cause the changes that will prevent other veterans from the same fate.

Money, sorry for the ripping but you hit a nerve.
I love yah man !

Posted by: continuetocancelme

March 21, 2013 at 8:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

This is what occurs when unethical and immoral people are hired to take care of other living, sentient beings. It has nothing to do with private for profit vs. government run facilities. I have worked for both government agencies, and for-profit. I have seen good and bad in both.

Posted by: SPA

March 21, 2013 at 8:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

I'm a veteran and can tell you that the VA healthcare is the finest healthcare system in the world. What happened at the Veterans Home could have happened anywhere and most assuredly does. It just doesn't make as big of a splash in the headlines. Yes, heads should roll over this. But close it down? No way. Stop throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Posted by: SmokedHam

March 21, 2013 at 9:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

This facility has been investigated before, much attention has been brought to the management of the state operated VA home, but although the individual employees change, the overall management of the system does not change. The QUALITY of the employees hired by the state must improve. Throughout the management since it opened in 2006, the top management hired has been incompetent and would never have found employment as administrators in any other long term care facility. It is up the top state officials to raise the quality of care and oversight provided at this home.

Posted by: SCB

March 21, 2013 at 10:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Evercham says: "'Money;...
Do you even know what is in the law, do you have a clue. This incident with this poor man has no connection with the Health Care Act in any way.">>

Evercham, "Money" does not "know the law" and does not "have a clue." Money is a worthless troll that simply posts invective and spittle in order to illicit responses, especially from new people who don't know he is a troll. It's very boring but if you read a few of this sad persons posts, you will quickly figure this out.

I am not using the term troll loosely. I've been here about three years, posted about 1,700 comments and this is the only person I've referred to as a troll.

The notion that this unfortunate singular anecdote says anything about the entire VA system is not a notion any adult is going to take seriously. Rightwing ankle biters will try to spin some political hay out of it, but that's what they do, and it's rather easy to correct their errors.

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The VA is an excellent example of how government run health care works far better than our private greed based mess. Setting aside unscientific anecdotes, it's best to consider the question with good peer reviewed science. The VA is “one of the world’s purest models of socialized medicine at work.” Yet, the government-run U.S. Veterans healthcare system is now considered significantly more efficient at providing quality care than private-sector healthcare:

• The New England Journal of Medicine ("Effect of the Transformation of the Veterans Affairs Health Care System on the Quality of Care, May 29, 2003)

• The Annals of Internal Medicine ("Diabetes Care Quality in the Veterans Affairs Health Care System and Commercial Managed Care: The TRIAD Study," August 17, 2004)

• U.S. News & World Report (America's Best Hospitals, Military Might, July 18 2005);

• The American Journal of Managed Care ("The Veterans Health Administration: Quality, Value, Accountability, and Information as Transforming Strategies for Patient-Centered Care," 2004,10; part2);

• Washington Monthly ("The Best Care Anywhere," January/February 2005)

• The Washington Post ("Revamped Veterans Health Care Now a Model," August 22, 2005).

And also:

"Overall, VHA patients received better care than patients in other settings."

"The findings mark the sixth consecutive year the VA health care system has outranked the private sector for customer satisfaction." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/...

Posted by: fayfreethinker

March 21, 2013 at 10:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Thank you fayfreethinker! Very well said.

Posted by: Jim_Huffman

March 21, 2013 at 3:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Smoked ham was right. It's like this everywhere. The VA just gets inspected more and the documents are easier to FOI so it makes a good front page story. Change is needed across the board and the homes need to have people that can do basic treatments on patients before they get to bad and call one doctor who is in charge of 20 different homes just to have him say call 911 at the drop of a hat.

Posted by: fmf030108010954

March 21, 2013 at 3:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Thank you, evercham, for correcting me with intelligence and without name calling. I am not "tea party" I am Libertarian.

No, I don't know what is in the law as no one else does either. According to the Supreme Court it is a new tax. "We have to pass it to find out what's in it."---Nancy Pelosi. She doesn't know either.

I am radical and narrow minded. I don't like government and I hate big government even more. I love freedom. I narrow minded that way.

"Recorded history is largely an account of the crimes and disasters committed by banal little men at the levers of imperial machines."---Edward Abbey

We now have had 12 years in a row being ruled by banal little men, Bush and Obama. Are we any better now?

"Power is always dangerous. Power attracts the worst and corrupts the best."---Edward Abbey

And you rip me anytime you want. just like Coralie does. God bless.

Money

Posted by: JailBird

March 21, 2013 at 4:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

fm, that is the future under Obamacare.

Posted by: JailBird

March 21, 2013 at 4:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

"We have to pass it to find out what's in it." --Nancy Pelosi">>

Standard old lie and deception passed around in the echo chamber by the chronically misinformed. Debunked at least half a dozen times on this forum.

What she said was: "But, we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy."

Further unpacking here:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2010/04/...

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Posted by: fayfreethinker

March 21, 2013 at 5:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Government run health care in combat is the finest in the world. It sucks in garrison on the treatment side. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it for several reasons. Referrals to private providers has been a better experience for me and my dependants in almost every case. No scientific poll, politics, etc., just nearly 13 years of experience and observations from my buddies and other relatives experiences as well. This VA thing needs to be addressed and fixed post haste. Contracting it out may be the way forward.

Posted by: Tankersley101

March 21, 2013 at 6 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

It's my understanding that the Veterans' Home referred to in this article is operated by the State of Ark.
It is not a Veteran's Administration hospital operated by the Federal government even though the reporter makes no distinction or clarification.

State salaries for medical personnel, outside UAMS, are too low to attract quality people. Administrative jobs are often nothing but political appointments so you can understand the need for coverup and faulty reporting. Political influence also indicates why problems are allowed to persist under current administrators.

I've seen Ark Dept of Human Services ads for RNs at half the pay of what a good RNs can earn at local hospitals and medical agencies.

Posted by: cdawg

March 21, 2013 at 7:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )