Posted: July 14, 2013 at 3:17 a.m.

Some above furlough I asked Congressman Tim Griffin if he would be willing to take a voluntary pay cut to support federal workers, and all I got back was a two page complaint about how hard he has it living on federal benefits even without taking a voluntary 20 percent cut in pay for the next 11 weeks, and that he had to take a cut to his administrative staff.

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Editorial, Pages 73 on 07/14/2013

Philip Sherlin's suggestion demonstrates the low consciousness of vengeance.
It's too bad that English law overtook the very enlightened system of Brehon law that existed in Ireland since druidic times. Brehon law could have been a model.
Instead, English law was all about the death penalty.
Fortunately, it and we evolved.

Posted by: Coralie

July 14, 2013 at 3:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Thomas Lasko says "The law never stops the determined until after the fact."
Never say never.
I believe Freethinker has in the past given us sources to show that background checks did in fact deter a number of people from acquiring a gun.

Posted by: Coralie

July 14, 2013 at 3:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

I can get a gun anytime I want one without a background check on me. Freeby is a stooge.

Posted by: JailBird

July 14, 2013 at 4:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Great letter today Coralie! Precise and correct.

Posted by: cdawg

July 14, 2013 at 7:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

The letter by the left-wing shill from Fayetteville contained enough half-truths and falsehoods to be shocking, even by her standards. First, the shill grossly overstated the labor force in this country (according to Bureau of Labor Statistics) by at least ten to twenty million in a attempt to refute the assertion that a majority of the people want to work instead of take handouts, something that the vote for the current regime disproves. Throw in the growth in food stamps as well as the demands to extend unemployment compensation indefinitely, and no credible person can claim that the regime has shown any interest in creating private-sector jobs that would allow people to avoid being dependent upon the government.

Posted by: IrishMensa

July 14, 2013 at 10:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Second, the shill claims that the climate-change cult is not interested in money with the assertion that "scientists" aren't making millions from their worship. While no credible scientist may be rolling in dough, it is clear that the Al Gores of the world are using the panic as a way to rake in billions while the regime is using the data that is, at best, inconclusive, in order to reward his friends (Solyndra, Fisker, et. al). The regime is also deliberately placing lower-income people who want to work in a more dependent position by crippling the coal and oil industry in an attempt to jack up prices. Those are facts, which the shill has never shown any interest in.

Posted by: IrishMensa

July 14, 2013 at 11:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

The remainder of the shill's commentary regarding the debt and the regime's use of executive orders and czars, as well as his blatant (and successful) attempts to bully the Supreme Court into accepting his usurpations of the Constitution, causes one to wonder if the fire department had been called to her home. Forget about pants, the whole closet was on fire in the final two paragraphs of her letter. It looks like Peter Lewis and the folks at Progressive will have to sign a check to buy Cora-lie a new wardrobe. But then again, when has a statist ever concerned (his)herself with the truth?

Posted by: IrishMensa

July 14, 2013 at 11:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Shill: "An accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others."
Sounds like I could have made some money there if I'd only known how.
Tell me, Irish, can you name another one of the Al Gores of the world besides Al Gore?

Posted by: Coralie

July 15, 2013 at 1:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

BTW, I'd like to make a comment on Sunday's columns by Steve Brawner and Sherman Frederick, but can't find them.
Anybody know where they are?

Posted by: Coralie

July 15, 2013 at 6:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

More progressive liberal dreaming. Ah...I'm back. Had important things to do, caring for a sick mother, but now I'm back it's your turn to capture a little of my attention. Oh lament what could have been and oh! Imagine how it could all be better. Well, it ain't. It is what it is and we have what we have. It has worked for hundreds of years and progressive liberal meanderings do nothing but distract good men from reality and more important and fruitful endeavors. Lament it. Liberalism is under attack and progressives are the first target. Deservedly so. The list of failed progressive liberal ideas and programs continue to grow and condemn the very notions they so revere. It's about time we got back on track and back to reality. The time is now. Ya'll are not egg heads, perhaps knuckleheads?

Posted by: jeffieboy

July 15, 2013 at 7 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Great posts Irish, Jeffie!

Posted by: UoABarefootPhdFICYMCA

July 15, 2013 at 9:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

I usually don't debunk IrishM because it pretty much self implodes under its own vitriol and there is some reason to believe he has mental health issues, but this deserves a poke:

Coralie: "there are about 155 million people in the U.S. labor force,...">>

IrishM claims: "[Coralie] grossly overstated the labor force in this country (according to Bureau of Labor Statistics) by at least ten to twenty million">>

Let's check:
"Recent US Labor Market Data
Labor Force Participation

The labor force in the US stood at 155.2 million in April 2013,..." http://tinyurl.com/l85hw9k

So is IrishM lying, or does he have his head up his bottom again? For a person who likes to flex his chicken wing muscles in front of the mirror and talk tough, one would think he might attempt to get his facts straight when trying to smear someone who actually does.

IM: "Throw in the growth in food stamps...">>

That trend started long before Obama:

"...under President George W. Bush the number of recipients rose by nearly 14.7 million. Nothing before comes close to that." http://www.factcheck.org/2012/01/newt...

Then Bush had his awesome net loss of private sector jobs and flushed 40,000 factories down the crapper.

IrishM: "no credible person can claim that the regime has shown any interest in creating private-sector jobs...">>

Let's do a little spoon feeding for our Irish wingnut again:

1) Bush's Great Recession lost more jobs than the previous FOUR recessions combined.

2) More private sector jobs were created in 2010 under Obama than under eight years of Bush.
http://tinyurl.com/24smpkc And: http://tinyurl.com/4hq8dbt

3) The US did not gain a single private sector job under Bush, having a net loss of 673,000 private-sector jobs. http://tinyurl.com/4hq8dbt

4) Bush has the worst job creation record ever. http://tinyurl.com/9ylluu

5) Private sector job creation under Obama in 2011 was larger than seven out of the eight years Bush was president. http://tinyurl.com/8xjbuc8

6) As of June 2012, more jobs have been created in three and half years under Obama, than under the entire twelve years of the three terms of father and son Bush. http://tinyurl.com/dtrrp

7) "counting from one year into each president’s tenure through to the end of their term... here are the numbers of manufacturing jobs gained or lost per year:
Barack Obama: Increase of 157,368 manufacturing jobs per year in office
George W. Bush: Decrease of 434,143 manufacturing jobs per year in office

8) Over the last 75 years, job creation has always been better under democratic administrations. The worst performing Democratic president beats every republican president. http://tinyurl.com/6cd9uo

IM and his conservatives might want to avoid the topic of who "has shown any interest in creating private-sector jobs."

Posted by: fayfreethinker

July 15, 2013 at 10:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Jeffie: "The list of failed progressive liberal ideas and programs continue to grow...">>

Then perhaps Jeffie won't tuck tail and run as he did last time when I presented him with the McGovern challenge. It's given in the second to last sentence below:

"Virtually every step forward in our history has been a liberal initiative taken over conservative opposition: civil rights, Social Security, Medicare, rural electrification, the establishment of a minimum wage, collective bargaining, the Pure Food and Drug Act, and federal aid to education, including the land-grant colleges, guaranteed bank deposits, the Federal Reserve, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Food and Drug Administration, the National Park Service, the National School Lunch Program, the Voting Rights Act, and the graduated income tax. Many of these innovations were eventually embraced by conservatives only after it became clear that they had overwhelming public approval for the simple reason that almost every American benefited from them. Every one of these liberal efforts strengthened our democracy and our quality of life.

I challenge my conservative friends to name a single federal initiative now generally approved by both of our major parties that was not first put forward by liberals over the opposition of conservatives.

We need conservatives, of course, to challenge liberal ideas and proposals and to impel us to examine their soundness, but we cannot depend on conservatives to offer constructive new ideas of the sort that might bring about a more just and equitable society or a more peaceful and cooperative world.” --George McGovern

Let's see if he's got anything this time besides bluster and foot stamping.

"I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it." --John Stuart Mill (1806-1873)

Posted by: fayfreethinker

July 15, 2013 at 10:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal )


Hey Fail. Whats the cost of all that social welfare.. Hows it working by the way? Where is that reperations money for the african american? I think it's time we start asking these questions. Confederation States Reparations monies and properties were set aside for accounting. Let me guess the cost of accounting equaled the measurement? Read the congressional records. Even if you don't read we do. So what has the KKK party achieved with all this dumbing down welfare programs? Keeping rabbits...?

Posted by: UoABarefootPhdFICYMCA

July 15, 2013 at 10:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

That whole wordy nonsense by Freeby could be summed up in one short sentence:

"George Bush was a slightly worst president than Osama Obama."

"The most ignorant among us use the most words with the least thought."---MM

Posted by: JailBird

July 16, 2013 at 10:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Moneymyst is exactly right about being able to get a gun.

If you responsible gun owners want to keep guns out of the hands of people that should not have them, then you need to create a gun registry which could be used to punish the irresponsible.

Posted by: User13

July 16, 2013 at 10:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Registry or not, I can get a gun. DS/ES

Posted by: JailBird

July 16, 2013 at 8:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Yep, you can get a gun, Slick, and no one is trying to keep you from getting a gun, if you are responsible.

Problem is you can traffic the gun to those that should not have a gun very easily and very legally right now.

I bet you are very proud to be able to do that.

Posted by: User13

July 16, 2013 at 9:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Very proud to be a constitutional american, domestic enemy scum.

Posted by: UoABarefootPhdFICYMCA

July 18, 2013 at 4:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

OK Barefoot, I'll bite, what is a "constitutional american"?
My grandmother lived to be 97 and they said she "had a good constitution." Is that what you mean?

Posted by: Coralie

July 22, 2013 at 1:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal )