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PUBLIC VIEWPOINT Thanks Due For Sudan Food Support

Posted: February 22, 2013 at 2:16 a.m.

Irecently returned from the Nuba Mountains in Sudan where I, with the support of many goodhearted people here in the U.S., was able to insert some five and a half tons of food to people who are in dire need due to the constant bombing of their villages and farms by the government of Sudan. It’s an area where an untold number of people are suffering malnutrition to severe malnutrition to outright starvation.

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>>It would seem our leftist
friends are clearing up new space for the newest member of the left’s Pantheon of Heroes.
Welcome aboard, Christopher Dorner!<<

My, my how the blaming finger blames. You don't even have registered Republican Timothy McVeigh scrubbed from our memories. Surely you recall Tim, getting a tyrannous government brought to justice, taking the country back with nitrate fertilizer in Okla City.

Posted by: cdawg

February 22, 2013 at 4:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

"With the media and Hollywood at your side..."
Mr. Yeakley doesn't give any examples of this supposed idolizing of Christopher Dornier.
Could it be yet another example of right wing making things up?

Posted by: Coralie

February 22, 2013 at 4:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

I did not know Christopher was a left leaning Democrat, but it kinna fits in with cdawg and Freeby. However Dorner was not a very successful mass killer as compared to McVeigh. But then we all know that left wing liberals are just not as smart. It's in the jeans, ya know.

Posted by: Moneymyst

February 22, 2013 at 4:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Here comes the first Billy Goat Gruff.

Posted by: Coralie

February 23, 2013 at 12:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

(For latecomers, that comment was meant for the resident Troll.)

Posted by: Coralie

February 24, 2013 at 3:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Who would bring a gun to a fertilizer fight?

Posted by: Moneymyst

February 24, 2013 at 4:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Troll is too much of a compliment.

Posted by: cdawg

February 24, 2013 at 7:37 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Coralie,

RE-

"Mr. Yeakley doesn't give any examples of this supposed idolizing of Christopher Dornier."

Not sure who is behind it, but there has been plenty of idolizing of Dorner out there and some rationalization of his actions because of his "manifesto."

Posted by: Tankersley101

February 24, 2013 at 9:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

RE "Not sure who is behind it, but there has been plenty of idolizing of Dorner out there"
Then you should be able to provide examples. You can inform yourself as to who is behind the idolizing while you're at it.

Posted by: AlphaCat

February 24, 2013 at 9:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

I had to look up who Dorner was. Not having a TV I don't get saturated with every media flap of the day.

If Yeakly wants to play the "some guy was a leftie and a bad guy too," I wonder if he is going to be consistent and see that this guilt by association example very much kicks him in his own pants.

Here's why:

As of about a year ago, since September 11, seventy-five Americans have been killed in the US by right-wing homegrown domestic terrorists.

http://www.npr.org/2011/08/02/1387836...

That is to say, 77% of domestic deaths have been cause by conservative rightwing terrorists (the remainder, Islamic). See an extensive collection of examples here:

http://tinyurl.com/4jzjbfa

Go here to see a map of the over 1,000 hate groups in America, the vast majority (almost without exception) right-wing, conservative and Christian: http://tinyurl.com/yfc49c6

Here are about 100 detailed and referenced examples of rightwing violence here: http://tinyurl.com/2ehfkks

Maybe Yeakly should avoid this subject all together. If those on my team were behaving this badly, I'd keep my head down and try to talk about something else.

How 'bout them Hogs?

D.
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"President Obama’s Approval Highest In 3 Years While GOP’s Stands At Record Low"

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/02/...

Posted by: fayfreethinker

February 24, 2013 at 9:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

RE "How about them Hogs?"

Tennessee 60 Arkansas 54
Florida 71 Arkansas 54

What alternate universe are you living in Freeby?

Posted by: Moneymyst

February 24, 2013 at 10:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

AlphaCat,

Yeah, all the fan pages set up on Social Media are some right wing conspiracy. Please. I didn't provide examples because none need to be listed to admit that this murderer has people trying to paint a positive picture of him in some kind of stance against police brutality even though Dorner was fired for police brutality. SNL even made a skit making fun of people upset about this killer having supporters.

What time do you watch your snark queen of the Left on the tv you don't have, FFT?

"77% of domestic deaths have been cause by conservative rightwing terrorists"

I guess all those gang bangers shooting people up in the big cities are real conservative I bet.

Domestic terrorist: how do we want to apply those words and when? Give me a break.

Posted by: Tankersley101

February 24, 2013 at 11:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Tank: "Domestic terrorist: how do we want to apply those words and when?">>

Tank wants to try posturing as if he doesn't know what the word "terrorist" means? One would think knowing something about that might go along with his job description. If he would follow a reference link for a change, he would find might have found the examples are quite straightforward.

Don't get up, I'll get some for you:

-- July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how "liberals" are "destroying America," walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others.

-- October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.

-- December 2008: A pair of "Patriot" movement radicals -- the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted "to attack the political infrastructure" -- threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers...

-- December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear "dirty bomb" in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man... reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb.

-- January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center.

-- February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.

-- April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself.

-- April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, similarly fearful of Obama's purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter,...

-- May 2009: A "sovereign citizen" named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.

cont...

Posted by: fayfreethinker

February 25, 2013 at 12:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

-- June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.

-- February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one "domestic terrorism" too.)

-- March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war.

-- March 2010: An anti-government extremist named John Patrick Bedell walks into the Pentagon and opens fire, wounding two officers...

-- May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.

-- May 2010: Two "sovereign citizens" named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout...

-- July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff...

-- September 2010: A Concord, N.C., man is arrested and charged with plotting to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. The man, 26-year--old Justin Carl Moose, referred to himself as the "Christian counterpart to (Osama) bin Laden” in a taped undercover meeting with a federal informant.

That was from the short list. http://tinyurl.com/4jzjbfa

Did they forget to tell about these on the FOX Box? I bet they did.

Tnk: "Give me a break.">>

No, can't do that. It wouldn't be fair to the other conservatives.

D.
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"The Giffords shooting brings the tally to 19 total cases of domestic-terrorism inspired by right-wing extremism in the past couple of years. Oh, excuse me: I meant to say "isolated incidents". Because that is how each of these cases was treated -- and how they continue to be reported by the mainstream media, particularly at Fox, which generally does not report on them at all." --ibid

Posted by: fayfreethinker

February 25, 2013 at 12:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

RE "Yeah, all the fan pages set up on Social Media are some right wing conspiracy."
Oh, now. Not /all/ of them. I never suggested that anyway. I just want you to take responsibility for what you say.

RE "Please. I didn't provide examples because none need to be listed to admit that this murderer has people trying to paint a positive picture of him"
Painting a favorable picture of somebody is not idolizing them. I'm more interested in actual news sources, not individuals who have figured out how to blog. Is this alleged "favorable picture" because he tried to do something about what he saw as corruption in the LAPD, or because he killed people? Be specific. I am particularly interested in the conclusion that he was a leftist, as nothing in his manifesto indicates that he is a leftist. If anything, he is slightly left (socially and economically) of Obama, who is hardly a Marxist anarchist. Favoring Democrats these days does not make one a leftist.

I just had to slap patrioteer down in another thread for posting as true some blogger droppings that are patently false.

Posted by: AlphaCat

February 25, 2013 at 12:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Alpha,

Starting off by describing him as a leftist was wrong.

FFT,

What your list doesn't include is all the violent urban terrorism. Don't try to associate crime with politics or associate the nut jobs out there with Conservatism. The fact of the matter is, I can go make just a compelling list as you of the ones your MSNBC don't tell you about.. I choose not to. Let's move past associating our conflicting political sight pictures with the criminals of the world. Whattya say, eh?

Posted by: Tankersley101

February 25, 2013 at 2:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

RE "Starting off by describing him as a leftist was wrong."
I'm glad you agree with me. Unfortunately, it appears that Mr. Yeakley got that opinion from a bunch of the bloggers I checked. Their almost unanimous and generally verbatim consensus was that Dorner was some kind of socialist-leftist, based on his manifesto and the fact that they don't like him. That is just plain untrue, and so to be expected from right-wing bloggers.

RE "The fact of the matter is, I can go make just a compelling list as you of the ones your MSNBC don't tell you about.. I choose not to."
Why do you choose not to? Because you would resort to the same blogs that lied about Dorner's manifesto and political leanings? You appear to want to argue, but you refuse to do a good job of it. What's the point?

RE "Let's move past associating our conflicting political sight pictures with the criminals of the world."
Mr. Yeakley was (wrongly) trying to make Dorner out to be a leftist political terrorist. fft rightly and relevantly pointed out-- though I believe he should have been more clear-- that most of the political terrorism in the United States since 9/11 has been perpetrated by right-wing conservatives. The "urban terrorism" you refer to, which I take to refer to gang warfare, is not political-- and, when it is directed at specific participating targets, isn't really terrorism. However, as you choose not to cite sources, I guess we'll have to pry your argument out of you-- assuming you'll take a serious interest in holding up your end of the discussion.

Posted by: AlphaCat

February 25, 2013 at 3:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

According to Wikipedia, Dorner claimed that as retaliation for reporting excessive force by a colleague, the LAPD terminated his employment for making false statements.
He was not accused of policy brutality--he accused his partner. Some evidence did support his claim. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Sou...
I can't find a copy of his Manifesto, but from reports it is long and "rambling." He seems to have snapped.
I can't find anything indicating that he was/is "idolized."
I get the feeling from my search that a lot of information has been removed. There really isn't much there.

Posted by: Coralie

February 26, 2013 at 5:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal )