PUBLIC VIEWPOINT: Deportations Would Fix Many Woes

Posted: February 3, 2013 at 1:55 a.m.

I second Bill Orton’s letter (Public Viewpoint, Jan. 19) regarding Greg Harton’s (Jan. 14) attempt to portray folks as “blinded by self-interest” if they don’t support more and more property taxes and never-ending school expansions.

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Opinion, Pages 10 on 02/03/2013

Mr. Warner should be made aware that around 10% of his Social Security income comes from the contributions of undocumented workers who must contribute to SS through payroll taxes. Since they are not eligible for SS benefits, he's essentially ripping them off.

Instead of berating them as criminals, he should apologize and say thank you, undocumented workers, for helping to pay my grocery, garbage and sewer bills.

Posted by: FrankLloydLeft

February 3, 2013 at 12:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

I think Mr. Warner was having a bad day, based on his frustration at having such a high mortgage payment.
Maybe he needs to refinance his house.

Posted by: Coralie

February 4, 2013 at 12:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

As for cost of Obama's vacations, there are dueling facts.
The other side of those many conservative websites is this:

Posted by: Coralie

February 4, 2013 at 1:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Frank - I'd be interested in knowing from where you got the 10% statistic. You can't pay SS taxes unless you have a SS card, so either they are "undocumented" or "fraudently documented".

That said, deporting all of these workers is not the answer. This would result in a significant shortage of food for sale. It is estimated that at least 50% of agricultural workers are undocumented.

Our nations have to develop solutions that make sense for our all facets of the economy.

Posted by: superdave10

February 4, 2013 at 1:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Many of the illegal felons work as independent contractors and therfore are responsible for their own withholding and and SS contributions which are never paid. They just take the place of a legal citizen or documented (Green Card) worker that would be paying.

Posted by: JailBird

February 4, 2013 at 3:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Speaking of "where you got the" numbers I would like to see a real source for this:

>"more than40 percent of the students in Northwest Arkansas schools are “English language learners,” which is liberal speak for illegal aliens,..<<

Warner has no idea if half the English language learners are legal or not. Many of them are children of resident aliens which is a legal status. Others are children of Marshallese parents who were granted special accommodation regarding immigration rules because we destroyed their homeland with atomic bomb testing.

Yes, legal or illegal immigrants pay for property taxes either directly, through property assessments or, indirectly via rents, because taxes are included in a landlord's rent calculation.

Other taxes paid by all immigrants are sales taxes, the main source of local government financing; use taxes for gasoline, excise taxes included in the price of retail goods.

Again, to get rid of the public education mandate Orton, Warner and friends must amend the Ark constitution which mandates an "adequate education" be provided to all youthful residents. Note the Ark Constitution doesn't mention citizen.
If Warner truly wants to reduce tax spending on public education then consolidate more public school districts. There's no reason for over 300 education fiefdoms in Ark all sporting full support staffs when there are only 74 counties in the state.

Posted by: cdawg

February 4, 2013 at 5:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

The almighty cheap labor at the chicken killing plants made Gene George and Don Tyson multi-millionares and Springdale residents caugtht the poop in their faces. Will man's greed and total disreguard for their fellow man never end.

Posted by: JailBird

February 4, 2013 at 7:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

SuperD: "You can't pay SS taxes unless you have a SS card,...">>

That's not true. See this article:

"Many illegal immigrants pay up at tax time"


"The IRS also has been issuing Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers, or ITINs, for 12 years to foreigners without a Social Security number. It's believed that many workers who seek the ITINs are in the country illegally, and the IRS reported that there were 2.5 million tax returns filed with an ITIN in 2004."

Nearly every claim in this idiotic letter by Mr. Warner is false. If one didn't have better things to do, one could give it a good line by line roasting. But it's a bunch of scribble that is so dumb it hardly rises to the level of interesting. Who could believe such rubbish?

I will say, one of the great pleasures I enjoy currently and look forward to enjoying over the years will be to continue to watch dishonest xenophobic BS shovellers like the author of this letter, have their voices diminish as the demographics continue to kick them in their uninformed, racist, bottoms.

"Illegal immigrants are paying taxes to Uncle Sam, ... the latest figures available indicate it will amount to billions of dollars in federal income, Social Security and Medicare taxes this year. One rough estimate puts the amount of Social Security taxes alone at around $9 billion per year....

" workers who, because they are classified as independent contractors by their employers and have no taxes withheld, owe big tax bills come April. Beyond income tax, they have to pay the full Social Security and Medicare taxes due.

The Social Security Administration estimates that about three-quarters of illegal workers pay taxes that contribute to the overall solvency of Social Security and Medicare....

"Nine billion dollars... is only about 1.5% of the total $593 billion paid into Social Security in 2005.

The impact on Social Security is significant, though, because most of that money is never claimed by the people who pay it but instead helps cover retirement checks to legal workers."
--USAToday article, ibid

Regarding the "287 (9)" claim:

"What the Obama administration is signaling with its proposed 2013 budget is that it’s getting what it wants out of the comparatively less pricey Secure Communities program,” said Julianne Hing,’s immigration reporter. “The two local enforcement programs have identical goals but a slightly different design....

S-Comm is cheaper, Hing said, and deserves a great deal of credit for helping the Obama administration reach its record-breaking deportation records."

Posted by: fayfreethinker

February 4, 2013 at 9:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Now that the country is going bankrupt under the leadership of The Child, we will see more illegals leaving and going back where they belong. The Child, between golf vacations, will claim that the illegal invasion problem was solved due to his far reaching policies.

Posted by: JailBird

February 5, 2013 at 2:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

You've resurrected the "golf vacations" attacks from the 1950s, when they were used against Dwight D. Eisenhower.
Not used by Democrats but by farther right, John Bircher Republicans who thought Eisenhower was too liberal.

Posted by: Coralie

February 5, 2013 at 2:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Famous statement by Eisenhower predicted that any extremist political party that tried to abolish Social Security would find itself on the losing side of history.

Posted by: Coralie

February 5, 2013 at 3:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Just imagine, a troll of such limited intellect, discernment and character, referring to someone else as a child. And this, a person of a single parent and modest means who has managed to rise to the highest position in the land while spanking the best the Republicans have been able to throw at him. The first president since Eisenhower to win with more than 51%, twice. So, having nothing better to grab from their very limited bag of insults, they content themselves by calling him "a child." Pitiful.

Posted by: fayfreethinker

February 5, 2013 at 3:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Oh, Freeby, how you tangle yourself in your own hate. You promised us all heaven on earth when we elected Obama and now you disagree. The Child is a compliment.

"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb,
The Leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
The calf and the young lion and the fatling together;
And a little child shall lead them."---Isaiah 11:6

Has the Child not brought us all together as you promised? Surely thou didist not lie to us, didist thou?

What is limited character? Seems to me that one either has character or not. Should have said "no character"; gee now I got to teach you English. Oh well.

Posted by: JailBird

February 5, 2013 at 5:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

I'm for amnesty for those working here and have families, with certain requirements. No felons, learn English, etc. However, we need to close the borders and have control of immigrants, or we will all be going to other countries. We do not have unlimited resources. I think Hispanics mostly are very family oriented, God fearing people. Are they sure they want to come here???

Posted by: mycent

February 6, 2013 at 7:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Mexico is a great country--I have visited there several times and lived there for 6 months once. If they didn't need jobs, I imagine that most Mexicans would stay home.

Posted by: Coralie

February 6, 2013 at 1:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Open the borders and let people compete for jobs. Set up a new Ellis Island around El Paso. We need the tax income. At the same time, quit letting felons go free. Deport non-citizen felons and keep citizen felons in prison or execute them if the crime warrants the punishment. Or deport citizen who are felons as well. We could set up a penal colony in the South Pacific, maybe the Phoenix Islands.

Illegal aliens don't just come from south of the Rio Grande either.

The is nothing wrong with English. However, If you don't like the Spanish language, don't speak it, read it, or listen to it. It is as simple as that, but you are passing up on opportunities.

Embrace immigrants. We need as many family oriented, hard working, traditionally leaning folks in America as we can get. There enough criminals of all stripes to convince me of that.

Posted by: Tankersley101

February 7, 2013 at 12:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

"If you don't like the Spanish language, don't speak it, read it, or listen to it. It is as simple as that, but you are passing up on opportunities"
Agree with you there, Tank.
Spanish is the second or third most widely spoken languge in the world, very regular and easy to learn, melodic, and has some great literature written in it such as DON QUIXOTE and the many novelists writing in the magic realism genre that became so popular in this country a few decades ago.
Businesses opportunities, too.

Posted by: Coralie

February 8, 2013 at 4:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

You are nothing in this world if you cannot speak the Queen's English.
If we could exchange liberals for illegals, now thats an even trade.
Give Mexico California for the Baha, even trade.
Remember, Billy the Kid, "I killed 21 men not counting Mexicans."
Women writers are like getting into bed with a cadaver, something is lacking, like life.
"There is no force more potent in the modern world than stupidity fueled by greed."---Edward Abbey
"The Latino military fare badly when they stumble into war with the gringos. But, in the torture, murder, and massacre of their own people, they have always performed with brilliance and eloquence."---Edward Abbey
"Mexico; where life is cheap, death is rich, and the buzzards are never unhappy."---Edward Abbey

Thoughts on life

Posted by: JailBird

February 8, 2013 at 5:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

"Thoughts" indeed.
Bit of an exaggeration there.
The world has about 20 countries where Spanish is spoken, with different histories and cultures.
All you know about is Mexico, and you don't know about that.

Posted by: Coralie

February 10, 2013 at 1:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal )