How Economics Is Tied To Global Warming


Posted: July 15, 2012 at 2:56 a.m.

To see global warming in action, look around.

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Opinion, Pages 15 on 07/15/2012

Global warming is a hoax. How does anyone know that this cycle doesn't happen every 200 - 500 years. Weather records have only been available for 115 - 120 years. I'm sure your scientists also believe in the big bang theory.

Posted by: footballfan

July 15, 2012 at 2:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Footballfan, the global warming scenarios perpetrated by this columnist are not science. They are merely another form of religion to these folks who ignore facts that are inconvenient to their view.

You are right to ask if the warming-cooling cycle lasts longer than existed records may indicate. Palaeontologists (to the best of memory) have found evidence that the earth has been warmer, while historians have believed that the "black plague" took place when the earth was cooler. One can safely guess that climate change has taken place, but have little or no real evidence that it is man-made, because such cycles have occured without the influence of mankind in the past.

Posted by: IrishMensa

July 15, 2012 at 10:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Oh, boy-- more scientific expertise from fooballfan and another (unofficial?) editorial from KERM Incorporated!

Thanks to both of you for being so predictable.

Posted by: AlphaCat

July 15, 2012 at 10:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

>I'm sure your scientists also believe in the big bang theory.<
Yes. And from a dinner with Hobson last year I discovered he "believes in" theory of gravity, theory of electricity and the theory of wavelengths. This is not to mention he "believes in" the theory of electromagnetism which is somewhat related to theory of wavelengths but not necessarily related to another theory he "believes in", the atomic theory.
Clear it up?
Back in 1962 I listened as a fundamentalist preacher was admonishing his audience about space travel and how it was not going to happen because the Lord only "intended" man to have "dominion" over the sky for as high as the bird flies.
I wonder is some of these commentators are offspring of those preachers?

Posted by: cdawg

July 15, 2012 at 11:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Irishman and football are obviously very poorly informed in the field of climate science. Hey, guys, we have a university right here in town. Go for it. Get your Ph.D. in physics. Aren't you a little embarrassed to be displaying your ignorance so blatantly?

Posted by: FrankLloydLeft

July 15, 2012 at 11:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

How about the last few winters when we had unusally cold weather? The ice storms that lasted for a week or more just a few years back? And how about the killer heat wave/drought back in the 1930's? And the heat wave/drought in the mid-80's? Cyclical weather patterns have been going on since the earth began, and will continue on long after we are around to complain about it.

Posted by: Vickie55

July 16, 2012 at 10:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal )


RE "How about the last few winters when we had unusally cold weather?"
That question is addressed in the article: at any given time, there is a total amount of heat in the atmosphere, and when it gets hotter in one part of the earth, that necessarily takes more heat away from another part of the earth. (Remember-- when it is winter in the Northern Hemisphere, it is summer in the Southern Hemisphere. Their summers are getting hotter, too.) I also would point out that this last winter was relatively mild compared to the previous two, and that heavy wet snow, which we tend to get more and more, is a product of warmer weather than dry powdery snow is.

RE "And the heat wave/drought in the mid-80's?"
Those temperatures are included in the record that our record-breaking heat is breaking.

Climate is the sum of weather. Weather in general is tending hotter.

Posted by: AlphaCat

July 16, 2012 at 11:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

We can keep talking about the problem or we can act. Whether one believes in climate change or not, we all want to spend less on utilities which equals using less fossil fuel which reduces carbon emissions. The most important effort, by far, is being more efficient with our energy usage. It's not hard. It more than pays for itself. Even if one thinks climate change is a hoax, saving money is real and measurable. For example, our new house was kept at a frigid 65 degrees as a test for the month of June and the power consumed was less than $6. worth. And that is no hoax. The payback for efficiency improvement is rapid and staying more comfortable in the sweltering heat is a plus, as well.

Posted by: dcoody06150747

July 16, 2012 at 5:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal )


What was the actual total cost per square foot, including built thermal efficiency, high-efficiency HVAC (including ground-sourcing), and alternate energy sources (photovoltaics, wind), to build your house? How much of that was paid by manufacturer, vendor or government rebates? How many of those rebates are still available to the public, and how long will they be available? How much was the cost reduced by any connections to the building industry that you might have? What is the payback in years based on current rebate availability and buying at retail?

Perhaps most important, how many banks will lend the overhead necessary to buyers of average means in order to make this approach widely feasible? And does the outlay for that much energy efficiency show up in an appraisal? (Energy Star, a building standard that banks and appraisers recognize, doesn't begin to approach this level of efficiency.)

Beyond throwing it out there as an extreme outlier, how do you translate the example of your own home to the real world? What should one buy with, say, the first additional ten dollars per square foot? What about people who will not be building a new house? What are the incentives for builders and owners of rental property?

Posted by: AlphaCat

July 16, 2012 at 7:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

I've discovered the source of "global warming". It's Art Hobson, franklloydleftist, alphacat, coralie, fayettevillefreethinker, inquire, cdawg, nwaobserver...the list goes on...

We know it's not going to improve though, because those libs will never agree to stop spewing hot air.

Posted by: patrioteer

July 16, 2012 at 9:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal )


In other words, you admit that climate change is caused by humans. Congratulations-- you're not as stupid as all of your other posts would lead people to believe.

Posted by: AlphaCat

July 16, 2012 at 9:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

We could use some of that global warming this winter. Ever consider that it may be tax talk gas that is heating things up? Use any excuse at all to tax for more money.

Posted by: Oldearkie

July 17, 2012 at 2:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

You can actually save energy and money with relatively simple and inexpensive retrofits.
For instance, a fast-growing shade tree or even faster-growing vines on a trellis on the West side of the house provides shade from the hottest sun..
Really good insulation, energy-saving windows, heavy drapes in the winter, caulking.
An enclosed entry/porch so you don't lose the cooled/heated air everytime you go in or out..
They say a fan doesn't cool but just makes you feel more comfortable--however, I've tested it and a good pedestal fan can take down bedroom temperature 2 or 3 degrees.
When it's cool at night I use a window fan and turn off the AC.

Posted by: Coralie

July 17, 2012 at 4:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Here's what a lot of the deniers don't understand--science is about careful measurements.
They want to put forth their vague recollections of local events as not only = to but superior to the careful measurements of people in every part of the world who make this their job.
Because it was hot or cold or whatever in parts of Arkansas at some point does not trump the fact that over the course of a year the data from weather stations ifrom Queensland Australia to Vladvistok Russia show that average temperature was warmer.
Entirely different ways of going at knowledge.

Posted by: Coralie

July 17, 2012 at 4:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

You may be right, inquire. Sad to think that so many people arrange their opinions about everything based purely on ideology and partisanship.
BTW, I was going to add that scientists measure not only local temperatures but many other things such as how much and how fast glaciers are melting, or how far north certain plants and animals are moving their territories, or how many and how severe are hurricanes and other storms, etc.

Posted by: Coralie

July 18, 2012 at 11:05 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

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Posted by: fayfreethinker

July 18, 2012 at 1:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Funny, thanks Free.

Posted by: Coralie

July 18, 2012 at 6:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Patrioteer, along your line of thinking maybe all the cold-hearted Republicans will bring on an Ice Age.

Posted by: Coralie

November 17, 2012 at 4:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Anybody with any sense knows that asphalt is warmer than concrete and concrete is warmer than grass. Lay down on it sometime in the heat of summer, you ding-dong right-wing knought-jab Rush followers. However it is cyclical, after you pave and dam the world, grass will win in the end.

Posted by: JailBird

November 17, 2012 at 4:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal )