What group helps the non-hispanic student?? Shouldn't there be equality for all?? Is Wal Mart responsible for segregation now? Is this reverse discrimination? Sure does smell like it, take a look at all the programs helping hispanic kids and then look at all the programs helping non-hispanic children and you will see a BIG disadvantage for the non-hispanic children in our schools.

Posted by: hipop

February 20, 2012 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

I say lets just start a non-hispanic group to help all non-hispanic children. I took a survey over the phone the other day and when they asked for my ethnic group they started with are you hispanic? And when I said no they then listed all the other options very rapidly. Our teachers already have to spend more attention on hispanic children and our non-hispanic children are suffering. I'm all for starting a new group and take it national.

Posted by: hipop

February 20, 2012 at 11:15 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Having worked in the school system recently (in a pretty equally diverse school), this is what I observed:

-Non-hispanic students were significantly more involved in both academic and non-academic clubs. There were also more clubs that "catered" to the non-hispanic students.

-Non-hispanic students were welcome to join "hispanic" clubs, though not many chose to do so.

-Struggling non-hispanic students had many more places to turn to for extra help than hispanic students. (Not that the help was non-hispanic students only - just that the type of help the hispanic students tended to need to not as readily available)

-More struggling hispanic students sought help than struggling non-hispanic students.

The reason there aren't "white" organizations is because the largest chunk of organizations are primarily that - white.

Posted by: nwlocal

February 20, 2012 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

shorenuff--

RE "If you are a white male your chances are slim of getting a job."
Since there are four unemployed people for each job, my chances would be-- theoretically-- one in four. Of course you must have data to back up your claim, otherwise you know you will come off as just another crybaby from the conservative martyr class.

I can't wait to see it.

Posted by: AlphaCat

February 20, 2012 at 10:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Alpha_cat, you made me laugh that you need someone else to tell you what your eyes should be able to see for themselves. Because you aren't able to 'think' for yourself and you have to have 'data' from other thinkers to help you 'think,' I am pretty sure your chances of getting a job is now 0 in 4. Unless, of course you are NOT a white male. In that case, your chances go up so the workforce can keep their ratios good or if they need an interpreter and you qualify.

Posted by: shorenuff

February 21, 2012 at 8:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

shorenuff, I believe you helped make alpha_cat's point in your tirade against it...

"Unless, of course you are NOT a white male. In that case, your chances go up so the workforce can keep their ratios good or if they need an interpreter and you qualify."

Why do they need to make their ratios good? Perhaps because they employ a majority of white males already?

Posted by: nwlocal

February 21, 2012 at 4:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

shorenuff--

RE "I told you from the start, I am talking about what I have seen and experienced."
So how many white males have you seen apply for and not receive a job because somebody other than a white male got the job? Assuming you are a white male (and as far as I know you are not male) how many jobs have you applied for that a person other than a white male got?

RE "I am honest, hardworking and forthright."
I'm sure that you are hardworking and forthright, and probably even honest in your significant dealings with others. However, your refusal to acknowledge data that contradicts your personal experience in a number of ways makes it hard to believe that you are entirely honest. Your personal experience does not support the broad generalization you made. Maybe your experience encompasses only incompetent white men. Maybe you are familiar with a peculiarly biased group of employers. There are any number of possible reasons why your experience is different from that of the rest of the world (if it is in fact different-- you are going on perception, not information); your being correct in the face of mountains of data isn't one of them.

RE "We all have opinions..."
"Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts." --Bernard Baruch

RE "...and thankfully we have a forum to express them..."
No disagreement here.

RE "...and to make each other think."
Unless they refuse to think.

RE "Agreeing to disagree with each other while learning from each other is always a good time!"
Even if it's not a two-way street.

Posted by: AlphaCat

February 22, 2012 at 12:26 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

shorenuff--

RE "Alpha_cat, your argumentative ways really turn people off from listening to you."
Odd-- just a while ago, you said, "We all have opinions and thankfully we have a forum to express them and to make each other think." You shouldn't blame me for your refusal to listen to facts. Your mind was made up before I posted.

RE "Maybe if you put more effort into reading what others are saying..."
My responses make it pretty clear that I read and understand what people say.

RE "...and less time trying to be a right-fighter..."
In this case, the issue is not political-- it's factual. (Perhaps this discussion could have been avoided if you had not made that generalization in the first place, and/or had not subsequently argued that the generalization is true.)

RE "...you could really do some good."
Thank you. Sometimes it's hard to tell. (In a way, it seems that you are warning me that those on the Right refuse to acknowledge facts.)

RE "Never before have so many people with so little to say said so much to so few."
It's a great paraphrase of Churchill, and the poster is lovely. See http://www.despair.com/blogging.html (It's always good to cite sources when possible-- especially for copyrighted material.)

Posted by: AlphaCat

February 22, 2012 at 1:12 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Tankersley101--

RE "Easy, fella. Let another conservative weigh in on this."
Thank you for adding a reasoned opinion. That's one out of the four conservative opinions expressed here. However, since the first four posts were from conservatives, they were all negative, and three of the posts expressed a victim's point of view, I will stand by my initial evaluation.

I'm just surprised that commonsense96 (with my apologies to Thomas Paine, may he rest in peace) hasn't weighed in to tell us again about his poor downtrodden white male son's travails at the hands of a faceless educational bureaucracy.

Posted by: AlphaCat

February 22, 2012 at 11:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )