Not All Hispanics Are Mexican
Posted: February 19, 2012 at 5:36 a.m.
Bertha Gutierez doesn’t like it when people call her Mexican. That’s because she’s from El Salvador.
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How about identifying oneself as "American" or going back home?
Posted by: GeneralJackTRipper
February 19, 2012 at 12:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Well said.
Posted by: suek
February 19, 2012 at 6:02 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
President Teddy Roosevelt has some words on being American.
"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism... a hyphenated American is not an American at all. This is just as true of the man who puts "native" before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance. But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else."
-TR
Posted by: Tankersley101
February 19, 2012 at 8:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
There's probably a good Hitler quote respecting nationalism, too - I'm just too tired to google it up.
Posted by: GeneralJackTRipper
February 20, 2012 at 1:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
I wonder why English-Americans think they have a monopoly enough to set the rules? Same goes for Irish-Americans who insist on having their parades and drinking binges each year and taking over police departments.
Posted by: cdawg
February 20, 2012 at 2:14 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cdawg
WHAT ????
Posted by: mable
February 20, 2012 at 7:08 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
I know a lot of Mexicans who refuse to call themselves Mexicans, why is that ?
Posted by: mable
February 20, 2012 at 7:18 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Well if they are here legally and want to be an American citizen GREAT!!!!! Be an American!!!!! If you are here illegally, then go home and do it the right way!!!!
Posted by: hipop
February 20, 2012 at 11:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rumple/farter--
RE "I know a lot of Mexicans who refuse to call themselves Mexicans, why is that ?"
How do you know you know them?
Posted by: AlphaCat
February 20, 2012 at 11:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
The native Americans have the right to call themselves that. They ARE the original natives. They did not give anyone permission to come here. We should all be living by their rules and customs if there were any justice.
Posted by: inquire
February 20, 2012 at 1:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
If someone wants to be a US citizen, with all the rights that go with it, they need to claim to be a US citizen and nothing else. Tank hit it on the head with TRs quote.
That being said, a large portion of our LEGAL immigrant community are Lawful Permanent Residents. That is, they are Mexican/El Salvadorian/Guatemalan/etc citizens that have come to live and work in the US while they retain their native citizenship. Some naturalize to USC's, some do not. I personally have 0 issue with them wanting to be referred to by their own nationality. I would demand they be respectful of the US culture and traditions while they are here.
Posted by: nwlocal
February 20, 2012 at 2:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
If you want to live over here, learn the language, speak English and then we won't have to wonder where you are from. If you are over here illegally, then go back to wherever you came from.
Posted by: arkieblogger
February 20, 2012 at 7:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
arkieblogger--
RE "speak English and then we won't have to wonder where you are from."
You don't "have" to wonder, and that won't stop you anyway. You'll still wonder, because they're brown.
Posted by: AlphaCat
February 20, 2012 at 7:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Language doesn't have anything to do with being a good American. If someone comes to be a part of America, where they lived before or the language they speak doesn’t matter. They are Americans. Cultures transform over time. I wonder if a Roman of antiquity ever complained about citizens of the Roman Republic not speaking Latin.
Here are a few things written by James Crawford from http://www.languagepolicy.net :
“Language diversity has always been with us. As early as 1664, when the island of Manhattan was ceded from the Dutch to the British, 18 different tongues were spoken there, not counting any of the hundreds of Native American languages spoken in North America at the time. In the 1790 census, German Americans accounted for 8.6 percent of the population – a proportion comparable to that of Hispanic Americans, 9.0 percent, exactly two centuries later. Certainly, there are more languages spoken in the U.S.A. today than in 1790. (The 1990 census reported 323 – surely an undercount.) But this is a quantitative, not a qualitative, change.”
“Proportionally speaking, the language-minority population was larger at the turn of the 20th century, when immigration reached its highest levels in U.S. history, than at the turn of the 21st. In the 1890 census, there were 4.5 times as many non-English speakers than in the 1990 census (with its superior capabilities for counting such groups). In 1910, 23 percent of foreign-born whites, 39 percent of Japanese, 41 percent of Chinese, and 66 percent of other immigrants spoke no English, as compared with less than 10 percent of foreign-born residents in 1990. A decade before New Mexico became a state in 1912, two-thirds of its residents remained monolingual speakers of Spanish or Native American languages. Meanwhile, significant enclaves of French speakers remained intact in Louisiana and northern New England. German still predominated in large areas of the upper Midwest. These groups gradually became Anglicized – not through legislation, but through social changes due to industrialization, migration, road-building, electrification, mass media, and the passing of isolated rural life.”
http://www.languagepolicy.net/archive...
There is nothing wrong with only speaking English, but there is equally nothing un-American about speaking languages other than English in America.
V/r,
Tank
Posted by: Tankersley101
February 22, 2012 at 3:32 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tankersley101--
Great post.
RE "There is nothing wrong with only speaking English"
Except, of course, that not learning to speak, read and write in English will inevitably hold you back in an English-speaking society, and it might put one in danger from time to time. That said, English is a difficult language, and it is unreasonable to expect non-speakers to suddenly, or quickly, become speakers of English.
I might also add that the diversity, usefulness and liveliness-- indeed, the power-- of the English language have always been enhanced by the proximity of English-speakers to speakers of other languages.
Anybody who had a bagel and a latte for breakfast, or a burrito and coffee, or just a cup of tea, owes the fact that they knew what to call these things-- as well as the things themselves-- to the fact that people who live together often speak different languages.
Posted by: AlphaCat
February 22, 2012 at 11:57 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
"Arbeit macht frei" - that's all the foreign language any of us need to know.
Well, that and "inclinarse y separar las nalgas con las manos".
Posted by: GeneralJackTRipper
February 22, 2012 at 7:55 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Jack,
Posts like that are stupid and offensive.
이 이야기는 어른을위한 것입니다.
Tank
Posted by: Tankersley101
February 23, 2012 at 2:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
I thought this article was well-written, and is tasteful and appropriate. Good for Guiterrez when she says that being called "Mexican" used to anger her, but now she just educates people that "Hispanic" can be more than Mexican. It's good to know.
Just as, "white" is not all....what? English? Irish? Scottish? Or Canadian? Heck, there are even "white" Hispanics, you know!
It's of interest, when seeking to understand individuals and community cultures, about race and ethnicity. But as others have said, how about focusing on being "American" above all else? It's the common ground we share, at least, those of us who are legal American citizens.
I've long believed that the politically-correct terms such as "African-American" are basically meaningless and harmful terms, because it sets black Americans *apart* from...what other kind of Americans? In gest, I've often wanted to tell people, "Don't call me White! Call me Scotch-Irish-French-German American, because I'm Scotch-Irish-French-German and proud of it!" It's ludicrous, of course. "White" is easier and includes many ethnic origins. "Black" isn't all about Africa, either, necessarily.
I look forward to the day when folks can take pride in being melting-pot American; at least, it's an ideal to strive for. How do we do that with folks who are still hung up on ethnicity and country-of-origin? If they can't get past it themselves, it's not really fair to ask other Americans to do it for them, and complain about "prejudice" when you're seemingly hell-bent on setting yourself apart in some way.
Posted by: SPA
February 23, 2012 at 10:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Speaking English has everything to do with living over here. Why should we spend millions of dollars adding a whole section in Spanish to all our appliance manuals, phone manuals and store signs. Did we do this for the Chinese that came over here, or for the people from India - NO, they did not expect it! This country is being drained by the illegal population who expect us to pay for their doctor, hospital and welfare. The Hispanics are the only culture over here that we have had to bend over backwards to appease. It is getting ridiculous and I for one, will only vote for the person who can put a stop to any more illegals entering this country and also stop giving them hand-outs.
Posted by: arkieblogger
February 23, 2012 at 5:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Arkieblogger: looks like you have found a new villain, enemy to spew your anger towards. I'm afraid only small minds produce such hate.
Posted by: Jatello
February 23, 2012 at 8:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Tank:
Most right-wing conservative rhetoric is stupid and offensive, isn't it? That's kindly its whole raison d'etre, right?
Posted by: GeneralJackTRipper
February 25, 2012 at 9:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
And, Tank, while we're displaying our machismo by skillful use of Google Translate... :
العمل يجعل حرة واحدة، عندما انحنى لرجل اليمينية المحافظة
Posted by: GeneralJackTRipper
February 25, 2012 at 9:27 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
It all comes down to pleasing everybody. It's not going to happen. In my opinion SPA said it best.
Posted by: goodneighbor
February 26, 2012 at 10:58 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
All--
Please note that after years of allowing me to use alpha_cat as my screen name, the software at NWAonline/ArkansasOnline has required me to change my screen name, apparently due to a lately-acquired unwillingness to deal with symbols in screen names.
In order to minimize any confusion, and to forestall any disruption in your appreciation of my timely and informative posts, I have selected a screen name that is both as close as possible to, and as easily-read as, my former screen name, and I am announcing the change.
To summarize: alpha_cat is now AlphaCat.
Thank you.
Posted by: AlphaCat
February 28, 2012 at 12:44 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
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