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An inside look Basic beliefs and key differences with other Christians

Posted: December 24, 2009 at 11:04 a.m.

An inside look Basic beliefs and key differences with other Christians No Triune God — Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe in the Trinity. They see God, whom they call Jehovah, as the one true God.

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The Watchtower society is big money, being one of the top 40 New York City Corporations making nearly one billion dollars a year. That's just from one of their many corporations.

Unlike in the case of Christians who are persecuted in other lands for talking about Jesus Christ, Jehovah's Witnesses are largely persecuted for following the teachings begun during the second presidency of the Watchtower, when Joseph Rutherford took over in a corporate flap and began changing doctrines quickly in the Watchtower belief system.

He claimed that angels directly conveyed truth to some of those in leadership. He coined the name Jehovah's Witnesses to make them stand out from being witnesses of Jesus, a typical evangelical expression (and a Biblical one).

Rutherford dumped holidays, birthdays and the 1874 date for the invisible return on Christ, and invented an earthly class of Witnesses, since only 144,000 can go to heaven in their teaching. The rest, meaning all 99.9% of Witnesses still alive, will live forever on a cleansed earth, under the rule of the Watchtower leaders in heaven, who will keep them in line by local elders known as 'Princes'.

If you have been witnessed to by Jehovah's Witnesses and you reject their message, you will likely die shortly at Armageddon with all the other non-Witnesses, since theirs is the only true religion, and (if they can live up to all the rules) they are the only ones to inhabit this new earth. If you believe Witnesses seem rigid now, any non-conformist during the future cleansed earth will be directly destroyed by Jehovah. Even now a Witness will be disfellowshipped for any one of many gaffs, such as smoking, taking a blood transfusion, or even voting.

To even vocally question the teachings of the Watchtower will result in complete cutting off, with family and friends usually being forbidden to talk to them. The Watchtower is a truly Orwellian world, in a time when Orwellian societies are nearly obsolete.


The Watchtower strives hard to control the flow of information to the individual Witness, and prefers that all instruction come through the magazines they carry door-to-door. Without this form of control, even as they themselves admit, they would believe just the same as other Bible believers.

My hope is that there will be a day in each of their lives when the Watchtower magazine is no longer needed, and they can go to college, vote for office, and contribute money and time to other, more vital causes in their community. More than likely they will then cease to be persecuted, except in a few societies more authoritarian than their own.

Sincerely,

Danny Haszard http://www.dannyhaszard.com

Posted by: Danny_Haszard

December 25, 2009 at 2:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Take with a grain of salt what apostate D. Haszard (or others) have to say.

"Neither the objective sociological researcher nor the court of law can readily regard the apostate as a creditable or reliable source of evidence.

He must always be seen as one whose personal history predisposes him to bias with respect to both his previous religious commitment and affiliations, the suspicion must arise that he acts from a personal motivation to vindicate himself and to regain his self-esteem, by showing himself to have been first a victim but subsequently to have become a redeemed crusader.

As various instances have indicated, he is likely to be suggestible and ready to enlarge or embellish his grievances to satisfy that species of journalist whose interest is more in sensational copy than in a objective statement of the truth." - Bryan R. Wilson, Ph.D., University of Oxford

Bryan Wilson (1926 - 2004), Emeritus Professor at All Souls College, Oxford. One of the most well known British scholars of religion Wilson wrote extensively about New Religious Movements and apostates (ex-members who become openly critical of the group they were once a member of). In an article entitled Apostates and New Religious Movements

Posted by: Atticus

December 25, 2009 at 9:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Mr 'Atticus' you just did a cut n paste personal attack rant.

Excuse you,where is the suspected bias on doctrine?

Tell us about 1914 date please,can you contradict any of my posted facts?

Google:Jehovah's Witnesses Watchtower

Posted by: Danny_Haszard

December 25, 2009 at 10:07 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Join the Jehovah's Witness, get baptized and if you ever disagree with even the smallest details of their teachings (and dare to tell anyone) then you get disfellowshiped.
You will be shunned by family, friends and all baptized members.
Truly this is a high control group that needs to be investigated before committing to.

Be aware that as you start studying with them they will tell you that *Satan* will use your family to be against your conversion. Why wouldn't they be against this high control group?
Your real family loves you and cares about you, not some religion that is run by a dozen or more old men in New York state.

Do a lot of homework and know fully what you are getting involved with.

http://www.freeminds.org

Posted by: USA777

December 25, 2009 at 10:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

How can anyone accuse poor Atticus of "cut and paste" when I just read three posts by two different(?) ex JW writers who say EXACTLY the same thing? Wow! I still haven't read anything by Darlene or Hapszard that tells me what they believe, would they want their beliefs to receive the same treatment? From the nasty response Atticus got I'm guessing...no!

Posted by: DonHasband

December 25, 2009 at 1:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

There are plenty of resources available (books, websites, etc) that have firmly established the basis of calling this organization a cult. Additionally, the Jehovah's Witnesses are abusive - simply read some of the heartbreaking stories at http://www.silentlambs.org to see what I mean. And, the #1 child predator on the FBI's Most Wanted List right now is a Jehovah's Witness.

Once a person has discovered the truth about this cult, I cannot fathom how *ANYONE* could defend it.
The best source of info on JW is EX-members who are no longer under the spell of the Watchtower sect.

Posted by: MarionJ

December 25, 2009 at 2:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Truth is a journey. One thing all our leaders had in common was their quest for truth.

This has been blessed.

Everything aside, compare the
'global' events of 1914 and after with the four horsemen and the statements by Jesus on the Mount of Olives, and WALA.

Google doomsday clock set after WW2.
This true prophecy will finish before mans WW3. (or any other way this earth succumbs to man on this clock set 5 minutes to doomsday.)

Also, concerning false prophecy (or mercifully delayed or seemingly delayed prophecy) [Habakkuk 2:3] ... and read the very small book of the true prophet Jonah. (His commission from God to fortell the destruction of Ninevah in 30 days, and how 'upset' he was when it was delayed ... which is why he told God he ran away from the commission in the first place.) M

Posted by: Margarett

December 25, 2009 at 6:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Jeez Marion J would you please tell me YOUR religious belief, Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, etc, ad infinitum? Cause I can google it and prove to you that YOUR belief is a cult that hides all sorts of nasty things! I could Google the word "petunia" and find a thousand reasons to hate em! This is silly and accomplishes nothing but a continuing chain of arguments for those already converted.

Posted by: DonHasband

December 25, 2009 at 9:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Religions other than Christianity can find and know God, but why call something Christianity that rejects the diety of Christ?

Jehovah's Witness New World Translation (NWT) is altered. Six examples excerpted from Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry, at carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/bad-translations-jehovahs-witness-bible-new-world-translation:

"1. Gen. 1:1-2 - "In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God's active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters," (New World Translation). The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society denies that the Holy Spirit is alive, the third person of the Trinity. Therefore, they have changed the correct translation "...the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters," to "...and God's active force was moving . . . "

"2. Zech. 12:10 - In this verse God is speaking and says, "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced . . ." (Zech. 12:10, NASB). The Jehovah's Witnesses change the word "me" to "the one" so that it says in their Bible, "...they will look upon the one whom they have pierced..." . . . Jehovah's Witnesses deny that Jesus is God in flesh . . . so they changed it.

"3. John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The Jehovah's Witness version is this: " . . .the Word was a god."

"4. Col. 1:15-17 - The word "other" is inserted 4 times. It is not in the original Greek, nor is it implied. This is a section where Jesus is described as being the creator of all things. Since the Jehovah's Witness organization believes that Jesus is created, they have inserted the word "other" to show that Jesus was before all "other" things, implying that He is created.

"5. Heb. 1:6 - In this verse they translate the Greek word for worship, proskuneo, as "obeisance." Obeisance is a word that means to honor, show respect, even bow down before someone. Since Jesus, to them, is created, then he cannot be worshiped. They have also done this in other verses concerning Jesus, i.e., Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9.

"6. Heb. 1:8 - This is a verse where God the Father is calling Jesus God: "But about the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.'" Since the Jehovah's Witnesses don't agree with that they have changed the Bible, yet again, to agree with their theology. They have translated the verse as "...God is your throne..." . . . this verse is a quote from Psalm 45:6 which, from the Hebrew, can only be translated as "...Your throne, O God . . . " To justify their New Testament translation they actually changed the OT verse to agree with their theology, too!"

-- Ralph Ellis

Posted by: ralphiel

December 26, 2009 at 10:27 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

You have to admit the Trinity (a word which never occurs in the Bible) is not an easily acceptable concept. If you accept the Trinity you believe that Jesus prayed to... himself Matt26:39 (KJV)"And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt"
That Jesus sent himself and used himself as a cooroborating witness Johnn 8:17 (KJV) It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
That Jesus was greater than himself John14:28 (KJV) Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
That Jesus when ressurected (by himself) did not become God Almighty but as Acts7:55 (KJV) says "But he,
(Stephen) being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,"
That Jesus is in subjection to himself in heaven 1Cor 15:26 (KJV) For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him."
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. And last but not least, that Jesus HAD a God! John 20:17 (KJV) 17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
The trinity has been debated since the early church HAD debates (Arius). To pretend otherwise is not being entirely honest.

Posted by: DonHasband

December 26, 2009 at 12:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

The first century Bible writers warned about an apostasy that was to set in.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/15554206/Th...
http://www.scribd.com/doc/15551003/Je...
That apostasy came to full light with the Counsel Of Nicea when a whole host of pagan teachings were brought in such as The Trinity, Immorality of the soul, Hellfire, Christmas and many others. Also, Christendom has altered God’s Word by deleting his name in direct violation of Rev. 22:18, 19. Jehovah’s Witnesses represent the restoration of True Worship. Please get a copy of What Does The Bible Really Teach from your local Kingdom Hall and investigate for yourself.

Posted by: Daniel7

December 26, 2009 at 4:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

For those readers who would like "the rest of the story" as opposed to Christie Storm's propaganda, here are actual COURT CASES with excerpts:

The following SUMMARIES OF OVER 1400 JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES CRIMINAL and CIVIL COURT CASES will provide the BEST and MOST ACCURATE info about Jehovah's Witnesses, their beliefs, and how they ACTUALLY practice such day to day.


The following website summarizes 900 court cases and lawsuits affecting children of Jehovah's Witness Parents, including 400 cases where the JW Parents refused to consent to life-saving blood transfusions for their dying children, as well as nearly 400 CRIMINAL cases -- most involving MURDERS:

DIVORCE, BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS, AND OTHER LEGAL ISSUES AFFECTING CHILDREN OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

jwdivorces.bravehost.com


The following website summarizes over 500 lawsuits filed by Jehovah's Witnesses against their Employers, incidents involving problem JW Employees, and other secret JW "history" court cases:

EMPLOYMENT ISSUES UNIQUE TO JEHOVAH'S WITNESS EMPLOYEES

jwemployees.bravehost.com

Posted by: JJ2014

December 27, 2009 at 7:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index...

Posted by: Atticus

December 27, 2009 at 7:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Baptist, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc., sexual predators:

http://www.reformation.com/

Posted by: Atticus

December 27, 2009 at 7:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

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Many who take issue with Jehovah's Witnesses' "New World Translation" of 'theos' in John 1:1c (as, "a god") often miss the point that the structure of this whole clause is that it is 'a singular anarthrous predicate noun (meaning, without the Greek definite article), but one which is also *preceding the verb and subject noun (implied or stated)*' - that is, not just that use of the noun 'theos' in the third clause is lacking the Greek definite article. (In the Greek language of this period, there was no such thing as an indefinite article; therefore, depending upon the grammar, syntax, immediate and global context of the phrase, when translating to English, the decision on whether to add an indefinite article or not would be made by the translator.)

Quite interestingly, at other places within the "New Testament" where the syntax (Greek word order) is also the same as that found within John 1:1c, it is not uncommon to read where Bible translators will typically add the English indefinite article, either as an "a" or "an". You may wish to examine the following within your own preferred translation(s) of the Bible, that is, to see whether, within those works, such had actually been done. Here are a few scriptures to look into:

Mark 6:49
Mark 11:32
John 4:19
John 6:70
John 8:44a
John 8:44b
John 9:17
John 10:1
John 10:13
John 10:33
John 12:6

Now, when we encounter that very same Greek grammatical construction in John 1:1c, we find that there are many translators who do not follow the same guideline, that is, as when they did when translating the above verses. Apparently, this inconsistency is due to their own theologically induced predisposition, their bias, that of the centuries old, "Catholic" inspired tradition, the unbiblical belief that God is a Trinity. In other words, unknown to their readers, they are just being dishonest.

Furthermore, with respect to the suggestion that such a rendering though would fly in the strict Jewish monotheistic system of belief, in connection with Jesus' own words, recorded for us at John 10:34, 35 (when quoting from Psalm 82:6), there is this:

"The Hebrew for ‘gods’ (‘elohîm) could refer to various exalted beings besides Yahweh [or, Jehovah], without implying any challenge to monotheism,…"

Taken from: Blomberg, Craig L. (b.?-d.?). "The Historical Reliability of John’s Gospel: Issues & Commentary." (Downers Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, c2002), "The feast of Dedication" ([John] 10:22-42), p. 163. BS2615.6.H55 B56 2002 / 2001051563.

Obviously, there need be more evidence to substantiate such a rendering, as well as to address many of the other issues often raised by such wording. See these addressed within our forthcoming work, "What About John 1:1?"

To discover something of its design and progress, you are invited to visit:

http://www.goodcompanionbooks.com

Agape, JohnOneOne.
john1one@earthlink.net

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Posted by: JohnOneOne

December 28, 2009 at 1:51 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Poem for Jehovah's Witnesses


A POEM ABOUT CHILD ABUSE IN
THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY

Suffer the little children
Jesus was heard to say
Let them come to me
Never turn them away

For children are so precious
Truly a gift from above
They are fully deserving
Of our unconditional love

We value all our children
The Watchtower declares
We shelter and protect them
Keep them from life’s snares

From the moment of their birth
And on into their youth
We teach them about Jehovah
And all his precious truth

Yet the Watchtower’s actions
Make their words a lie
For throughout their congregations
Children suffer, children cry

Their teaching gives no protection
From the danger that they face
From men that would abuse them
There is no hiding place

For these men are their brothers
And they are told they must
Always love and respect them
In them put their trust

So they are able to carry on
With their vile abuse
Safe in the knowledge
That they will not be accused

For the Watchtower’s rules demand
Two witnesses to every sinful act
So children have to suffer
And continue to be attacked

While the Watchtower turns away
Pretending not to hear
The cries of children suffering
In anguish, pain and fear

http://www.silentlambs.org

Posted by: MarionJ

December 28, 2009 at 5:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Examining the false claims of abuse by apostates and oposers of Jehovah's Witnesses.

http://thirdwitness.com/childabuse/de...

Posted by: Atticus

December 28, 2009 at 10:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Atticus, of course there are sexual predators in any large group of people (secular or religious). The problem with the Witnesses is that they either consciously or unconsciously protect child predators within their organization due to their "2 witnesses" rule. If a child tells her mother that Brother Doe touched her in an inappropriate way, the Elders would (and have www.silentlambs.org) throw out the investigation due to lack of a second witness.

Posted by: Farsyte

December 29, 2009 at 11:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

On the Trinity: while the word "Trinity" is definitely not found in the Bible, neither is the word "bible" or "theocracy". The word Trinity is simply a placeholder for a longer and more complex idea. It was not invented at the Council of Nicea (the articles of that council can easily be found online). The term "trinitas" was first coined by the early Church writer Tertullian almost 100 years prior to the council's meeting. However, he was not the first to use the term, a man Theophilus Bishop of Antioch in 160 was the first to use the term (that we have in writing), many years before in his epistle to Autolycus The 2nd. I invite you to actually read the Early Church writings (available online or for very cheap through many publishers such as Penguin) and believe in whatever the evidence points to.

A question to all Jehovah's Witnesses: if you found a piece of information that was not reconcilable with official Watchtower doctrine, what would you do? Raymond Franz, once a member of the Governing Body, found himself in this very difficult situation. If you are willing, you can read his story about his time at Bethel and being a part of the Governing Body in his book Crisis of Conscience. Take a look here: http://www.amazon.com/Crisis-Conscien...

Posted by: Farsyte

December 29, 2009 at 11:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Farsyte (or perhaps more appropriately 'short sight') Obviously you didn't read the info at the site posted above. Thirdwitness..

Posted by: Atticus

December 29, 2009 at 5:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Atticus, I did actually read some of the arguments put forward on Thirdwitness today, and have read through the site in the past. However, we find time and again accounts of Elders not following instructions sent out by Bethel regarding abuse cases, and action is only taken in removing these people when legal authorities are involved. (such as this case http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarph... ). Of course we could go back and forth on whether all the facts are accounted for in these cases, but the frequency of cases all involving seemingly similar behavior is cause for concern in itself.
Regardless of the validity of the "child abuse scandal", we should always be willing to question our own beliefs and also the beliefs of others, and put the pursuit of honesty and truth above all other ideals or prejudices.

Posted by: Farsyte

December 29, 2009 at 6:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Then hopefully reading "some of the arguments" has been informative. Opposers who post unreliable and distorted material (often knowingly) are bottom feeders searching out the weak and illinformed...I am neither.

Posted by: Atticus

December 29, 2009 at 7:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

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