Mayor Proposes Restrictions on Illegals
Last updated Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:54 PM CDT in News
By Lori Harrison-Stone
The Morning News
ROGERS -- Mayor Steve Womack is so angry that illegal immigrants were likely involved in Friday's shooting of a Rogers police officer that he wants some local laws to address the issue.
Womack confirmed Thursday he has asked City Attorney Ben Lipscomb to look into possible city ordinances addressing the issue.
Womack said it's unacceptable more than half the hard drug cases city narcotics officers deal with involve illegal immigrants.
"If something's not done about it, we're going to lose control of the quality lifestyle we enjoy," he said Thursday.
Manny Gomez, president of the local chapter of the League of United Latin American Citizens, is "surprised" Womack would react so strongly to what he called "an isolated incident." Drugs are a growing problem everywhere and aren't limited to just illegal immigrants bringing them in, Gomez said.
"You're going to get everything coming across the border," Gomez said. "You're not going to get just angels or hard working people."
R. Shawn McGrew, who is active politically and a member of the group, said such local regulations will send the wrong message about a community that's becoming known for its diversity and the economic development it supports. Illegal immigration needs to be addressed on a national level, he said.
"We need to continue to encourage diversity and unity in the community, not go backwards," McGrew said.
In an e-mail this week to Rogers City Council members, a copy of which was obtained through an Arkansas Freedom of Information request, Womack wrote the intent is "not to come across anti-immigrant" but to address an issue that isn't being properly addressed on a national level.
"We have many wonderful immigrant people who are doing the right thing, doing the things expected of people who come to our country," he said Thursday, adding those immigrants should be just as concerned about those who are here illegally.
With the e-mail to council members, Womack attached copies of a law from Hazleton, Penn., as "information only" and noted he asked the city's legal staff to come up with possible ordinances on the issue that will be "useful" to Rogers.
Lipscomb said Thursday he believes the Pennsylvania law is "rock solid," and defensible legally. It addresses the issue as "a nuisance" and nuisance abatement is something the city has plenty of power to regulate, he said. He's planning to present Womack with a similar ordinance for Rogers, but he said it will have stronger language when it comes to what constitutes a nuisance.
The Hazleton law, the Illegal Immigration Relief Act, calls for a $1,000-per-day fine on any landlord who rents to an illegal immigrant and revokes for five years the business license of any business hiring an illegal immigrant. It also makes English the city's official language and bans city employees from translating documents without official authorization.
Womack said he hopes his suggestion generates some "wholesome constructive discussion" that will help Rogers officials address the issue.
Alderman Mark Kruger declined to comment on the plan until he sees a proposed ordinance. Alderman Bob Goodwin said he'll support it if it helps out the Rogers Police Department.
Womack, who is running unopposed for his position in November, said he knows the suggestion may affect the next election. But, he said, "there's no good solutions for what we're facing and somebody has to do something."
THE ISSUE
Local Immigration Law
Rogers Mayor Steve Womack has suggested the city consider new regulations to deal with illegal immigrants. In an e-mail informing Rogers City Council members of his proposal, Womack wrote, "We have businesses employing them and landlords renting to them. That said, perhaps it is time our city took a leadership position that members of Congress are apparently unwilling to take."
Source: Staff Report
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Sparky wrote on Oct 26, 2006 10:19 PM:
" Thank you, I hope the other cities of NWA look very seriously at this type of idea. I agree with your decision. Imigrants are welcome when they abide by the laws on how to become a citizen. The fact that some are illegal shows the lack of respect for our nations laws and they should be sent packing. "
Harvey wrote on Oct 26, 2006 11:11 PM:
" Why is America so concerned about prosecuting criminals unless they are illegal immigrants THEN THEY WORRY ABOUT THEIR KIDS. WHAT ABOUT AMERICAN KIDS WHEN THERE PARENTS GO TO PRISON NO ONE FEELS SORRY FOR THEM. "
Observer wrote on Oct 26, 2006 11:36 PM:
" It is about time someone took a stand on the illegal immigrant situation instead of paying the problem lip service and blaming inaction on the Feds. Mayor Womack, you are starting what should be done all over the country since the Feds are not addressing the problem. If LULAC would stop their knee-jerk whining long enough to read the Mayor's proposal, they might just find the ordinance would make a better community for everyone in Rogers including the legal immigrants. It's hard to pay much attention to their protests when they are being advocates for people who are violating U.S. law. The dope dealers who have been caught recently are illegals with major amounts of meth. Ask any law enforcement officer and they will tell you the majority of meth seized in NWA originated south of the border. It's not bashing any culture, it's reality and it's a problem.
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Still not enough wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:02 AM:
" Finally! This is why we elected Womack...we have waited for this for years. LULAC is the legal PC version of the Hispanic Mob, but masqurades as a Community group. They NEVER have been qouted as defending a Majority Race in our area. Just whine about how they are profiled (Hmm, maybe because you shot cops more then other races, live 20 to an apartment, wave the flag of the nation that COULD NOT SUPPORT YOU DUE TO CORRUPTION, etc.), They whine about how they are treated (should I list more?) Regulations like this will protect everyone, and help drive the crime rate down. If they know some one is checking, they might just stay away from the area. We dont need the crime. I just hope that it is not too late. Oh, and by the way, my last name is Cortez, and I am an American Citizen, born and raised in the USA, but of Hispanic Ancestry. Dont think we "mexicans" do not see the problem of illegal's. They ruin it for everybody. "
JP wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:17 AM:
" I am glad someone is finally going to do something about this problem. We have enough of our OWN criminals to worry about. We shouldn't have to worry about criminals who AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE! "
Linda wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:33 AM:
" Hazelton, PA is becoming the 'gold standardn' for local protection from the illegal onslaught. Support the Mayor "
Ashley wrote on Oct 27, 2006 5:30 AM:
" Support your Mayor, city of Rogers. He is on the right track! "
What it takes wrote on Oct 27, 2006 5:32 AM:
" Now do you mayor have what it takes to follow through? We all know talk is cheap! It is going to take a big backbone to follow through; sorry I am chuckling to myself, having a hard time believing a mayor has what it takes to stand up on immigration... "
Redneck hero wrote on Oct 27, 2006 6:00 AM:
" Evevy redneck Mexican hater in Northwest Arkansas will be proud of Mayor Womack for this act of hateful prejudice.
Us white folks were here first by-God. (Injuns don't count!)
Pretend Christians act like they have some God-given right to keep Arkansas lily white. I wonder what Jesus Christ would say about this hate-filled proposal? Ask him Mayor.
Before the mayor runs all Hispanics out of town, I wonder if they will mow my yard for $5 and then coming back every now and then to keep it mowed?
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Melisa wrote on Oct 27, 2006 6:23 AM:
" THANK YOU MAYOR WOMAK!!!!!!!! Lets hope Springdale follows suite!!!! "
GL wrote on Oct 27, 2006 6:26 AM:
" The mayor needs to run off bleeding heart people like Redneck hero out of here also. Perhaps redneck hero would be happier in Mexico. People are tired of this Hiapanic crap. "
OfficerObie wrote on Oct 27, 2006 6:52 AM:
" It took a police officer getting shot to get the mayor angry enough to speak out against illegal immigrants. If they are "illegal" immigrants, then they should be dealt with according to the law. Just as all other people that do things illegally. You shouldn't have to wait until someone gets shot. "
Sylvia wrote on Oct 27, 2006 7:09 AM:
" Just an expample that not all the trouble caused around the area is hispanic related, take a look at the police reports this morning, you people focus on the trouble caused by hispanics only and not all the crap involving "white people". "
MT wrote on Oct 27, 2006 7:22 AM:
" Hey ya'll. Go take a look at the postings under "Alderman Pushes for Salary Survey." Yes, something needs to be done about the illegals but NO ONE in this administration is perfect. "
Tired of It wrote on Oct 27, 2006 7:53 AM:
" It's easy to make a comment online in support of the Mayor who is reaching for a solution to keep our police officers alive, but the real support is needed at the next city council meeting on November 14th. If you support Mayor Womack's effort you should be there to show him your support. He can't do it alone. I'm sure the organized whiners from LULAC will be there in support of the illegal law breakers to undermine his proposal. "
Great news wrote on Oct 27, 2006 7:54 AM:
" It is about time! This is something that should have been done YEARS ago. I'm concerned that it is too little too late. I applaude Mayor Womack for taking a stand and saying what so many have wanted to say for years. "
Concerned wrote on Oct 27, 2006 7:57 AM:
" It is a shame that someone had to get shot for this problem to be dealt with. It has been a problem for a long time. The City officials hoped they could bury their heads in the sand and it would go away. They have had their heads buried so long that it has almost overrun them. We Americans want to gripe and complain about illegals taking our jobs and breaking the laws, but we still want to pay them the cheaper wages for doing the landscaping and all the other jobs that they will do cheaper than the Americans. In other words let them be illegal if the are good, but if they are naughty then punish them. Illegal is illegal, either deal with the problem or leave it alone. I think it is way past time to DEAL WITH IT. "
Charlie wrote on Oct 27, 2006 8:26 AM:
" I'm form there and now in Houston...You folks "aint seen nuthin yet"...wait until the real bad ones move to your street. MS-13 will gun you down in the street if you look at them wrong. "
Liivd wrote on Oct 27, 2006 8:31 AM:
" I think the fact that they are "Illegal' is just completely overlooked by too many people. These proposed measures are wonderful, and I would live in any town that put them into practice.
The fact is, illegals shouldn't be granted any of the privileges as law-abiding citizens, and they certainly shouldn't be given special ones because they speak a different language. We shouldn't bend over backwards to accommodate people who haven't even bothered to come into our country legally. "
Madison wrote on Oct 27, 2006 8:43 AM:
" It's about time that our local officals do something about this invasion of our country by these illegal aliens.
It is not being racist to want people to obey the laws of our country.They are already criminals when they don't obey the laws of immigration in coming here,then commit numerous other crimes while they are here.It's time our elected officals start protecting the rights of the citizens of this country,instead of pandering to illegal aliens. "
Ozarks wrote on Oct 27, 2006 8:45 AM:
" 10 years ago, polititions in Rogers were saying we need cultural understanding. Being raised in Southern Californis in the 50's, I knew what would happen here. Latino's take over and if you say one thing about it, we are being hateful toward them. As for economic impact, I tell the truth when I say; I have been in the grocery line with hispanic's and watch them picking which food card to use (MO, AR, or OK) to pay with and not able to speak one word of Engish. The mayor is on the right track, but we must do more. Cut off the free food. Stop making the schools pander to non-english speaking students (Latino) and stop giving them a free ride. We have laws already, we just need to inforce them. No one is inforceing the laws. And don't let them say we are unfair when we do up hold the laws of OUR land! They are breaking the law to be here and the system helps them. I don't understand it at all? "
MG wrote on Oct 27, 2006 9:16 AM:
" I am of hispanic ancestry and my family came her legally. If you are here illegally you are breaking the law and should be punished and deported. This situation will only get worse if we do not adress it, we are already too late. We have had shootings, drugs, and an increase in crimes on children and many times they are illegals. We need to make our community safe. LULAC needs to stop whining and start supporting the laws "
Tom wrote on Oct 27, 2006 9:28 AM:
" THANK YOU MAYOR WOMACK!! I have lived here in Rogers for 24 years and have noticed this problem increasing ten-fold over the last 5-plus years. From all the comments recieved on this issue, it appears all of us are sick of non-English speaking immigrants cutting in front of us in their cars and grocery stores, playing LOUD so-called music late at night with so many vehicles on the streets you can't even get to your own home, tearing up what were once nice homes with multiple families living in them, etc., etc. These comments tell it all!! I agree with you 100%!! "
Perez wrote on Oct 27, 2006 9:41 AM:
" To my friend Redneck, He made the nation of Israel first(Acts 17:26)and to my friend Cortez, I agree with you Lulac is just in it for themselves, just like all the Car dealership, Real estate offices that hire these people to rip-off other Hispanic people , Legal Hispanic people that work hard to make a living and put their children through school. And as far as MS-13 coming to Northwest Arkansas and killing people, I say round them up and send them to the Amazon River and throw them in with the Piranhas , No need to worry, just move to another country like Holland or Norway. Hasta la vista , Baby. "
SOONTOBEMOVING wrote on Oct 27, 2006 9:42 AM:
" I am relocating to NWA from Florida and one of the main reasons is because of the immigration problem. Florida is becoming another Spanish country. Legal and illegal. The hispanic population think that we should learn their language, not the other way around.
It is more than enough time for the government to take care of this problem and I for one, am glad that this might be happening in Arkansas. "
Greg Hines wrote on Oct 27, 2006 9:43 AM:
" I am one of the members of the Rogers City Council who will be supporting any legislation which can help alleviate problems caused by illegal aliens. I have been concerned for years while listening to everyone say, this is a national issue to be dealt with by our congress and enforced by the federal government. I don’t think any of us have asked too much of OUR federal government to enforce the current laws. We are not trying to take the place of the federal government but I hope this might mean more help and cooperation from our big brother’s in Washington. In addition to being on the city council I work as a criminal investigator at the Sheriff’s Office. I can tell you that the federal government does not want the illegal’s that we do arrest unless the have been convicted of a felony and sometimes depending on the felony that might not be enough. "
Look At You/Us 1st... wrote on Oct 27, 2006 9:45 AM:
" You people condemn all hispanics due to the bad acts of others. How about thanking and been appreciative for all the hard work that is done by them b/c the so called "white" (by the way, also immigrants) don't want to & AREN'T CAPABLE OF DOING, & how about all the hispanic service man that go to war and die for this so acclaimed country? How about if we criticize all the "whites" that are in jail for selling or fabricating drugs, sexually abuse & kill other people? And how about those "whites" living from the governement with money that is taken away from hard working hispanics? And that's including the "white" women that end up having children for being irresponsible & love to take money away from "others". Really, the story of "whites" is pretty long if we continue. So, all of you/us that are so hateful to other cultures should take a look 1st at your own people. By the way, if it wasn't for a cheap,cruel & dirty deal that the United States of America did to the Mexican Republic of AMERICA, the US wouldn't even have half the land that now owns. People, please, study your own history & your culture first & then make comments of it, if there are any. And in case you were wondering if I'm hispanic... that's up to you to decide, I'll ssay that I'm an American & I do have my feet on the ground. Please you people,Mature. "
Bailey wrote on Oct 27, 2006 9:45 AM:
" This is great---the mayor is on track with his proposals, but one question---why are you censoring what is put in your paper? What happened to the comment about the city attorney? Does he have friends there? "
Arnie wrote on Oct 27, 2006 9:51 AM:
" This story shows how much some immigrants care about their children. Last Sunday, I was headed into a local grocery store. I was in the crosswalk when I noticed the exit door opened and a cart came rolling out at a very fast rate. As it neared the crosswalk, I noticed it had groceries in it. Fearing it would hit a car or person, I stopped it. THEN I found a new-born baby in it!!! I looked in the store when a lady came out. I asked her if the baby was hers; she said no!! She waited with me for around 30 SECONDS before a HISPANIC couple with ANOTHER baby came out of the store!! I asked them if this was their baby & basket full of groceries; they looked and said "OH", and took the basket and WALKED ON!! No concern for the baby; no thank you to me, NOTHING!! The bewildered lady that was standing with me said "so that's the thanks you get, huh?" It's kind of hard to accept that type of person into our country when they don't even care about their own!! This is a true story; there were 3 other witnesses. "
SOONTOBEMOVING wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:06 AM:
" I think the problem here is the term ILLEGAL. Everyone of our ancestors came from another country. However,they all learned the language and became legal citizens. Yes, the "whites" aren't perfect but no one said they were. The questions and statements are about Immigration problems. Florida is being overrun by illegals and if Rogers doesn't do something about it, it will be the same there. Illegals are taking low paying jobs that the legals could be taking for a better wage. Blame some of it on the people doing the hiring. It is a never ending circle and it has to be stopped. "
To Greg Hines wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:23 AM:
" You work at the Sheriff’s Office which does not believe there is a Hispanic/Gang issue. Sounds like to me you have been reading the support for the Mayor’s proposal on this blog and you see how popular it is, so you just want to get on his band wagon. Why as a city leader did you stand back on the issue of Hispanic’s and gangs until someone had the backbone to stand up to the issue. You are not much of a city councilperson or a deputy. As a city councilman and a deputy sheriff you have know for years this problem has existed. Why now are you throwing your name out? You want-a be Sheriff? "
question wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:24 AM:
" The individuals involved with the shooting had apparently lived at the Mimosa address for at least six years, and one of them, as a juvenile, had injured the same officer prior to the recent incident. Were they not illegal six years ago? And oh yeah, the first non-native to reach what is now the state of Arkansas was Hernando DeSoto. "We" were not here first, but neither Steve Womack or Ben Lipscomb will shirk from their new task. "
No more wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:25 AM:
" I would like to recommend people to read the police reports from today. Out of 12 of them only two are hispanic. So are we going to judge all of the hispanic community on these two people. The other 10 are more than likely white. I am of mixed ethnicities and I was born and raised in America. My mother moved us the Rogers 11 years ago. I had never experience such racial discrimmination until I moved here. I was deeply hurt reading this article. Even though I am not hispanic, it makes me wonder about our community and how we feel we should handle things. Let's tell people they cannot have a better life, lets rip families apart, let's tell people they are less human because they don't have papers. Maybe you should rethink judging the hispanic community before assuming they are all bad people! "
Ozarks wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:27 AM:
" To No Doubt: You tell me to move if I don't like it here? I was born here and will stay, thank you for you advise.
To Look at you / Us 1st: Jobs white don't want? Let me tell you, my poor grandmother retired from the chicken plants. I worked the chicken plants as a young man. It is hard honest work. The reason that industry hires illegls is to keep wages down. I also picked apples and grapes in the summer in school, roofed houses and poured cement. Now those jobs are done by hispanics and take summer jobs away from teens. Don't put all hispanics into one basket. The issue is illegls not American Hispanics! As for this being North Mexico (no comment)! Yes, our jails are full of whites and blacks that break the laws of the land. At least we punish those that break OUR laws.
Thank you Greg Hines. You can reqad the few comment by those that support illegls and understand there is a paln to just take over.
I wish Mexico would take care of their problems and industry and then maybe the problem would go away. They come here for jobs and handouts. "
Al wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:31 AM:
" Gee, I wonder why Mayor Womack never proposed an ordinance against wearing one's hat backwards or living in economically-depressed areas. After all, everyone knows that a lot of meth-amphetamine use takes place in such neighborhoods and some people who wear baseball caps backwards are drug users.
As for illegal immigration, I would suggest that anyone who wants to understand it better take a look at the so-called maquiladoras. These are sweat shops that have moved from the United States to Mexico, many of them in the border regions. These are infamous for treating their employees as not much better than slaves and they pay that way. Recently, it was reported that the largest salt mine in the world which lies in Baja California was paying their workers 30 cents per day. Additionally, these businesses have horrific worker-safety records, and are dumping their toxic wastes into residential areas. So what do you expect these people to do Mayor Womack?
This past July, the Mexican people tried to do something about it by voting overwhelmingly for López Obrador. But he's a leftist and believes in social programs for his people. So, with the help of the Bush Administration, massive voter fraud took place in their country. The wealthy elite have managed to stay in control and the people continue to be exploited. Of course, when they come here, the only option they may have to feed their families, they are all thrown into one criminal lump. How sad! "
JJDynomite wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:33 AM:
" Here is the bottom line: Illegal is illegal. If it's drugs, child abuse, running a red light, not tagging your vehicle, not having insurance, whatever it is, it must be dealt with according to the laws of our land, whether or not our elected officials have the backbone to do it. "
Yea Greg Hines wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:36 AM:
" Going to read the paper following the next Rogers City Council meeting. Let’s see if you have the courage to stand up and admit that as a city councilman and a deputy sheriff you have failed to publicly speak out about the problems the illegal immigration has been causing. I find it interesting that the Sheriff's Office has taken a back seat on the above issue but every time there is a drug bust or drug issue in Rogers you manage to worm your way in. Why don't you go do us the citizens of Rogers a big favor and change the two jobs you now have? "
taking over wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:44 AM:
" I grew up here..my child is growing up here. This area was a nice place to live 20 yrs ago...but due to the hispanic influx...im thinking about moving. Ive never been prejudice of any race...but sorry to say..have become so in the last 10 yrs. Ive seen so many neighborhoods destroyed...turn from nice to ...what i can only describe as a getto. I see local mothers who need goverment aid..turned away...then walk in a grocery store and see a hispanic buy food with stamps. Me and my wife go to the store...and watch a hispanic man stare at my wifes butt knowing im watching him. My wife was attacked by 3 hispanic males 3 yrs ago late at nite getting out of her car at a shell station in rogers...luckily she knows karate and fended them off as they were trying to drag her to thier van. I fear for my familys saftey anymore. I believe mayor womack is on the right path...but also think its too late. Too late for rogers..too late for our country. "
Anonymous wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:55 AM:
" I am amazed about all of what I have read this morning. All of you, that are talking trash about all the hispanic people. What makes you think that you are all mighty and better than everyone else. I'm so sick of all of the bigotry that I read from all of you. I am amazed that there are so many racists in this small little town and everywhere else. Why don't you all grow up and take care of your home instead of worrying about everyone else's business. Maybe y'all are not happy with your own life so you have to dog everyone else. USA is not only about all the white people. White people were not the first ones here. White people were the ones that took land from the Native Indians and even killed them for it. Don't you remember? No one here is better than any one else. God sees us all as equals so stop your bigotry, and your ignorance!!!!! Make someone happy in your life and let people live. There is no reason for all of the hatred in this world we have enough coming from the Middle East that is affecting us as we speak, type, and live our own lives. We have soldiers that are dying for all us. We must use our energy for better purpose!!! "
DJ Mexican! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 11:10 AM:
" Americans encouraged relatively free and open immigration during the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, and did not question that policy until the late 1800s. After certain states passed immigration laws following the Civil War, the Supreme Court in 1875 declared that regulation of immigration is a Federal responsibility. Thus, as the number of immigrants rose in the 1880s and economic conditions in some areas worsened, Congress began to issue immigration legislation. The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 and Alien Contract Labor laws of 1885 and 1887 prohibited certain laborers from immigrating to the United States. The more general Immigration Act of 1882 levied a head tax of fifty cents on each immigrant and blocked (or excluded) the entry of idiots, lunatics, convicts, and persons likely to become a public charge. These national immigration laws created the need for a Federal enforcement agency.
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Mom of 2 wrote on Oct 27, 2006 11:19 AM:
" I don't understand why there is such an uproar over this. I think it is an excellent proposal by Mayor Womack. The key word in all of this is ILLEGAL aliens. Nobody said anything about those who come here legally and abide by the law! "
Mr. Hines wrote on Oct 27, 2006 11:22 AM:
" We here at the Sheirff's department would like you to find another job also! "
DJ Mexican! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 11:35 AM:
" Okay, this is not an issue about illegal immigartion and this goes to you Steve, this is an issue about crime not, hispanic, white, brown, blue nor red. We have an issue about illegal immigration yes but why don't we look at solving it rather then been racist about it, Hispanics legal or illegal started coming into the US more than 100 years ago what makes you think that you can come here and run us off. Yes there is people out there that violated the laws why don't the Federal goverment (this is a federal issue not a city issue)do something about it like maybe issue a visa and ss card for the illegals, that would solve the problem, wouldn't it?
We are here to get a job, make a living and have a better future for those of you who say that we cut in front of you or that we are here for the hand outs, let me give you alittle background on my self I'm hispanic 24 yrs old, I came to the US when I was 15, (legally) I went to school and got a degree, now I got my own business I've been succesful and most importantly, I have never in my life ask for government assistance I net about 200,000 a year and the US government gets to keep about 100,000 of that, how does that sound, If I remember well enough thats not a handout is it? yes there is people outtherethatrequestgovernentassistancedidyoureadthatgoodIsaidpeoplenotHispanicI'mtalkinggeneral "
DJ Mexican! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 11:45 AM:
" Steve Womack is been just as disrespectful about this issue as the rest of you here. Yes we have an issue a FEDERAL ISSUE, that can be solved, NOt A CITY ISSUE. If federal goverment has not been able to stop it, What makes you belive Womack will. I honestly loughed when I read this article more than an issue is more like a joke. Now something to make all of you think, maybe even do some research (if you have the knowledge and resources) Has this been the only shooting in Rogers? Was the shooting coused by the women? Don't they Have stun guns or pepper spray? "
Fayetteville Redneck wrote on Oct 27, 2006 11:58 AM:
" Broke the law coming in, continue to break the law here.
Illegal aliens flee crime scenes, don't pay taxes, and get free healthcare because they cannot be tracked and billed (fake SS #s).
They are a drain and a detriment to all of our communities.
The ONLY beneficiaries of illegals are big businesses who pad their pockets with saving from cheap labor, and special iterest RACIST groups like La Raza (the Race) and LULAC.
Good for you Womack. Hopefully your spine does not fail you.
Unfortunately, I'm sure the "diversity-hungry" liberals in Fayetteville will put up special housing for all of the poor illegals....that is until our crime rate skyrockets as it does EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE NATION that illegal Mexicans are present. "
Sharon wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:00 PM:
" Is no one listening??? These people are here illegally. That is a crime! If you rent to them or hire them you should be you are breaking the law. I think more city governments should wake up and smell the coffee. For the person that asked if I read the police beat today and how many hispanics were on there shame on you! Did you see in the paper a couple of weeks ago the Springdale picked up 30 hispanics for a gang fight and they all had weapons from guns to knives. The Hispanics may be use to this style of life where they come from but the people that grew up here and want a good decent life should not have to tolerate this behavior! For "ANONYMOUS", after reading what you posted I think you have missed what everyone is trying to say "SEND THE ILLEGALS HOME"!! "
RACHEL wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:06 PM:
" Like what Fayetteville Redneck wrote. That is one reason I live in Fayetteville. Does not seem to have the problems with illegals like the other cities have. Hope the citizens will back the Mayor and show the other towns how it should be done "
Tom H. wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:06 PM:
" Now lets see is Mayor Womack has the courage to actually do something about our illegal invasion. "
Joe Cool wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:08 PM:
" DJ Mexican:
Why didn't you stay in Mexico and become successful?
Oh, that's right, because its a part of "El Mundo Tercer" (the third world).
Why is it that way?
Why is it that every heavily Mexican neighborhood in our region continues to slide towards looking more like Mexico than the U.S.?
Think hard about it. There is a reason.
I'm sure you're creative enough that you can find a way to blame it on Whitey.
It amazes me how people from all over the world come to this White country, founded and built by Whites, in order to enjoy the benefits of OUR culture, yet whine and complain when we dare to enforce our laws.
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Tom H. wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:10 PM:
" One more time. Now lets see if Mayor Womack has the courage to stand up and actually do something about the illegal invasion. "
ROSIE wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:15 PM:
" DJ MEXICAN The magic words I see in your comment is legal,educated and yes working!! "
Tom H. wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:18 PM:
" This problem is not about White, Black or Brown. It is about being illegal. Send the illegals back to Mexico, and let them do their complaining down there. I am sure the Mexican government will listen to them. "
Greg wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:26 PM:
" As usual. This rep for the Latinos is defending the law breaking illegal's. It isn't about those who are here legally. It is about those who are here illegally. How often some people tend to blend the two together. I commend the Mayor. Is it just a coincidence that drunk driving arrests have gone up 300% in Springdale in the last 10 years? And the majority of those caught are Hispanic? Or that the most violent crimes are being committed by immigrants? These are facts. I'm sorry if the liberals are so naive. Or they are too afraid to speak their minds and are trying too hard to be politically correct. But something has to be done. To date. Both my wife and I have been the victims of accidents in which the persons responsible have both been Hispanic and neither of them had insurance. The lady that rear ended my wife last month had 20 traffic violations. This is ridiculous. Again, good for Mayor Womack for taking a stand. "
Jan H. wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:34 PM:
" Why!!!!! It is not until now that Mayor Womack is willing to take action against illegals. All this time has passed and we have watched them destroy our economy. Our government has sold us out for cheap labor. Do you mean what you say, Mayor Womack, are you going to take constructive, positive action to deal with the illegals----or is this lip service? Time will tell. "
To Greg wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:39 PM:
" Stop sucking up. As a city leader you have failed to step up to the plate. Now that the Mayor has and is getting good reviews, you just want to stand beside him. Take your city council seat and your little badge and go play. "
To Jan wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:42 PM:
" Two things, first the Mayor does not have to face an election this year. He got a free pass. So he is not worrie about the fall out. Two, at least he is doing something, so I find it hard to blast him on why now, but you bring up a very important point, will he back up what he talks about. "
Larry wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:49 PM:
" I applaud Mayor Womack to attempt to correct the illegal alien problem. If nothing is done, then Rogers will become another Spangdale(Springdale with about 40% Hispanic population). Our health care system is overtaxed with supporting these illegals and the American people are tired of paying taxes to pay for their care. We need an ordiance like PA. Start hitting these businesses and landlords in the pocketbook where it hurts the most.
"
just me wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:03 PM:
" Y'all keep dumping this thing in Womack's lap. The gentleman prosecutor from Alabama is the one charged with drawing up a legal ordinance for approval. There have been illegal immigrants in Benton County for at least 20 years and David Clinger prosecuted an employer in at least one instance back whenever. Pressure Ben, not Steve. "
TPerea wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:10 PM:
" Get off your high horse and stop thinking that illegals are the ONLY ones causing a problem. Look at the police reports, i see more white people in there than hispanics. Question-why are you only pointing your finger at the hispanics? This is a national issue not a city thing. Let the government work with this. It's NOT going to change over night.... All things take time... Womack needs to get a life and get outa here. DROP IT! "
To Sharon wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:13 PM:
" I have not missed the point about what is being said. I am upset with the fact that just because of the violence that is on-going that is it blamed solely on the Hispanic Community. By the way that all of y'all are talking that all the Hispanic is trash. There may be a lot of Hispanic people that are ignorant, as some of the writers here. Not all of the hispanic people are bad, there are good and bad in all cultures. What I am trying to say that even, if we are law abiding citizen's we need to understand why some of the hispanics here are illegal. Some of the Hispanics that are illegal do have families and want something better for themselves. They can't live their lives on 60 dollars per week in Mexico or any other Third Country. You don't stop to think that not all Hispanics are bad. You just said "send the illegals back home" and some of them don't have anything to do with the ones that commit the crimes that are committed. There is a need of helping other people and we just think about what we want. Why don't we just go out there and do some good to the community instead of gripping about it? "
DJ Mexican! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:26 PM:
" For Joe Cool, If you didn't pay attention to my comments I came to the US for a better future and to work.
For Fayetteville redneck:
The Internal Revenue Service has broken out the $2 billion-plus unclaimed 2002 tax refunds by missing filers in each state Arkansas has 14,900 missing filers, with a median refund check of of $536.00. If you can multiply thats $7,986,400.00 of unclaimed taxes, do you have any idea why? Because those illegal immigrants that are afraid to obtain an ITIN (look it up) to file their yearly income taxes, so therefore they do not file their tax returns and guess what if they over paid the government, some one gets to keep that money and guess what thats not me. So don't post your ignorant comments without knowing what you are talking about. Oh by the way all of this illegal people also eat, own cars, and travel. If I remember right, when I go to the store to buy my groceries they do not say. OH YOU DO NOT PAY TAXES BECAUSE YOU ARE HISPANIC.
One more thing Fayetteville Redneck, can you name a place for people like you to move to where there is no hispanics or illegal hispanics. (the moon) "
DJ Mexican! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:29 PM:
" For Rachel, is not that fayetteville does not have that problem is just that Fayetteville officials concentrate on crime, and needs and not in racism. "
DJ Mexican! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:38 PM:
" For Larry:
The money is owed to 1.7 million taxpayers who never filed 2002 tax returns. Federal law says these folks have a three-year window of opportunity from the original filing deadline, which was April 2003, to claim their old refunds.
That gives them until this April 17 to submit the proper paperwork. After that date, UNCLE SAM GETS TO KEEP THAT CASH.
The IRS estimates that the median refund -- meaning half of the checks will be larger and half smaller -- is $570 and some of the money is owed to taxpayers in every state, as well as to residents of U.S. territories and military filers who didn't file returns that year.
California is home to the most taxpayers (more than 197,000) who didn't send in returns years ago, accounting for almost $219 million of the total unclaimed pot. But New Hampshire residents will likely collect larger checks. The Granite State's median unclaimed refund is $668. And technically, the biggest refunds, with a median unclaimed check of $749, are owed to nonfiling members of the armed forces who are stationed in various locations.
Not an uncommon oversight
Despite the staggering amount, the IRS says that unclaimed refund money is not that unusual.
guess where the majority of this taxes come from.
"
Freedoms of Citizenship wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:39 PM:
" Is no one concerned about the implications of this proposed ordinance? I enjoy my freedom as an American citizen and do not want to be asked for verification by anyone. The passage of such an ordinance will allow all of us to be subject to "inspection". I don't want to have to provide my passport to apply for a job or rent an apartment. "
Realist wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:44 PM:
" No one has said that all Hispanics are bad. Crimes are committed by all kinds of people. The point of this article is ILLEGAL immigrants. If you're here legally, great - this is not directed at you. For those who have argued that conditions are bad in Mexico, there are many places in the world where conditions are much worse than in Mexico. Unfortunately, though, the resources or this country are not unlimited. If we do not control the flow of immigration from all countries to a reasonable level, we will be unable to provide for any of our citizens. Why should Mexicans be allowed to pour over our borders instead of Africans, for example, who are being slaughtered by the thousands? As for this being a federal problem instead of a local one, local resources are providing education, medical care, and police protection, among other things. Local businesses are forced to hire bilingual employees since many Hispanics refuse to speak English, God only knows why. Yes, this is very much a local problem. "
Anonymous wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:50 PM:
" I am not afraid to any of the proposed ordinance because I am an American Citizen. I don't care if they put all of these dumb laws because I am legal. I just don't see the point of making the hispanic community a target of everyones ignorance and bigotry. What I dispise from all these comments are everyonese ignorance and lack of sympathy for the ones that are not as fortunate as us. We need to look within our hearts and have more compasion for other people and their disadvantages. We have freedom any way that you see it! We don't have anything to be afraid of. We need to be afraid of ourselves because we are too negative and too selfish!!!!!! You guys need to go visit the less fortunate so you know what it is really all about instead of being judgemental. This is a courtry of freeedom not of PREJUDICE!!! "
For DJ Mexican! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:51 PM:
" That's great about the $8 million in tax money that the federal government gets to keep. We'll apply that against the $10 million that the State of Oklahoma alone estimates that they have paid in medical services for illegal immigrants last year: "A state Senate task force, chaired by Senator Daisy Lawler and charged with studying the issue of illegal immigration, reported that hospital expenses for births of illegal immigrants costs Oklahoma an estimated 10 million dollars per year. The number of illegal immigrant births last year totaled 2,600."
"
DJ Mexican! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:57 PM:
" Yes I totally agree with you on your comment, my point is that by approving this city ordinance is not going to do much, for instance, lets say I'm a landlord, and some one wants to rent from me, I will ask for a copy of ss card and green card but then what? I'm complying with the law but personally I am not border patrol to be inspecting such documents for authenticity, see my point. Mayor Womack can and will not resolve this issue, it can be solved but it has to be brought up to congress. "
B-real wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:09 PM:
" don't hate we are here to stay.Nothing is going to stop us now.Don't like it move out.brown and proud. "
DJ Mexican! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:10 PM:
"
What you fail to mention are all the CITIZENS who receive free medical care because of their inability to pay. What drain on your precious tax-dollars do they pose? Or are you just focusing your rancor towards non-Whites? "
DJ Mexican! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:15 PM:
" By the way for the person complaining about the Oklahoma medical expenses, OK has 11,880,000.00 of unclaimed taxes. so there should be a little money left over there to feed you and take care of you for the rest of your life on the illegal's taxes.
Thank you very much.
Whats all of this hate about, we are a country wether you like it or not, we are not going anywhere neither illegals, so why don't you start thinking about a plan to leave in peace instead of arguing. "
sure wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:16 PM:
" It's amazing to me how construed issues get when you bring emotion into factor.
Fact: being in this country illegally is ILLEGAL. Regardless of the reasons you may be here, it is still illegal. If you want to be a LEGAL law abiding citizen, then follow the laws and rules of the country. I can assure you that if an american moved to another country-legal or not- it would be expected of them to abide by and follow all laws and rules.
My point is, if a person (hispanic, chinese, whatever!) is in this country illegally (hence breaking the law) those persons should be deported. I've always been told, "if you do the crime, you face the time." Why should ANYone get special treatment? "
Tom H. wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:19 PM:
" Hey Rogers, Bentonville---remember when Lake Atlanta was a fun place to spend the weekends? Does anyone go there now? If you go there now all you see is the faces of illegal mexicans. We have lost Lake Atlanta to the illegals, our towns are overrun with illegals, when does it stop? "
For DJ Mexican! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:21 PM:
" Absolutely not. There are plenty of citizens, both white and non-white, who abuse the system. Government services should be provided only for those who are truly in need, not the lazy or those who are taking advantage of the system. But that's another topic altogether. This subject is illegal immigrants, regardless of nationality. "
TO everyone: wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:21 PM:
" get a life.. Gracias DJ Mexican, you'r a great example of how hispanics can be better than all the ignorant hill billys that live here! "
Michael wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:22 PM:
" Mayor Womack should run for governor! Illegal is illegal - period. "
Greg Hines wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:23 PM:
" (1 of 3)As many of the educated citizenry know the idea of local action with regard to nuisance abatement in dealing with illegal immigration is a fairly new phenomenon. There are many issues which receive less media attention which are very important to our community that are solved through solutions presented by many different people. I feel that when you are in a position of leadership one should stand up and state their position on issues which have a profound effect on the community. This is not an issue of authorship or popularity; it is an issue of leadership and solutions to problems.
"
Razorback wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:24 PM:
" Hey Perez, why don't you climb back under the fence and go back to mexico? "
Greg Hines wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:24 PM:
" (2 of 3) I would invite anyone who has the courage to stand up and put your name forward to serve in a public capacity. I welcome comments and solicit the involvement of the community to provide solutions to problems. With respect to the writer’s comments about my service in law enforcement, I will respond with a line from the movie “A few good men” when Col. Jessup said, pick up a gun and stand a post. It’s easy to talk but action demands courage, compassion, and leadership. So, please feel free to speculate, and criticize. However I would caution that no problems/issues are solved in that manner. By the way, this would be a legislative action and that requires council action to make it law as opposed to an opinion or theory of what we should do.
Respectfully,
Greg
"
Greg Hines wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:25 PM:
" (3 of 3)As a side note: What type of person hides behind their statements without identifying themselves. I see now why you talk as opposed to serve. Our community needs to stand together and protect the future of our great city. "
DJ Mexican! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:27 PM:
" No one is saying that Illegal immigration is right, what we need to do is understand and come up with a solution.
It's been my experience that anyone's encounter with an undocumented immigrant has not been on a street corner where the undocumented was holding up a "work for food" sign.
Undocumented immigrants don't wait around for someone to find them; they find work on their own. That's why most people have dealt with illegal immigrants and haven't even known it: that busboy at the restaurant, the housecleaner or office cleaner, the nanny, the yard worker, the guy who strung your Christmas lights,etc.
Their number one objective in addition to doing their jobs is to avoid detection. All the undocumented immigrants I have ever known have been careful to buy only what they can afford and to use cash. Yes, they send money home but they also save for
those emergencies they know will come. They pay for their medical expenses in cash.
To the vast majority, it would be shameful to ask for a handout, not to mention stupid since it raises their profile on government databases.
Yes there have been illegals that don't obey the law and those are the ones that should be punished for there crime, Yes being here illegal is not right but what do you do when you have no option, what would you do if your kids were starving? "
To Perez wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:27 PM:
" I prefer a man with a brain, so I guess that rules you out. "
DJ Mexican! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:30 PM:
" Tom H, you are more than welcome to come down to Lake Atalanta and spend some time with us hispanics. (Illegal? how would you know? Because they have black hair and brown skin)
It's your park and if you don't go its just because you don't want to. "
to Tom H wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:37 PM:
" DJ Mexican spells Lake Atalanta correctly, which is more than can be said for you. The implications need consideration. "
Ozarks wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:39 PM:
" As always, I see those wishing to break OUR laws cloud the issue as racial. There are prople in need all over the world, Africa, Asia, South America. Are we to have everyone come until we can not feed ouselves? Why do those from Central America and Mexico think they have some kind of right to invade our country? The border is broken and that makes our national security a concern. I only state that if you come illegal you have broken the law. Th USA allows others in our country in everyday (legally). I have friends from Mexico, Russia, China, and on and on, that came here the right way. It took them hard work and time to become Americans. We are a country of laws. This is not only a federal problem now, it is an Arkansas problem. I hope the new governor will be one that will protect Arkansas and not those that break the laws to be here or hires those that are here illegal. Simple stuff!!! "
John wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:41 PM:
" Let's set aside the issue of "illegal vs. legal," for a minute.
Have you all thought about how much it's going to cost the city of Rogers to defend something like this in court (which they WILL have to do)? Glad to see you Rogers residents are so willing to pony up the tax money for these court costs.
Are you going to prosecute a landlord or an employer who is presented what appears to be a valid document, but is fraudulent? The big employers like Tyson use the federal Basic Pilot document validation system, but that's not available to small businesses and landlords. What are they going to do? Who's going to pay their court costs when they get sued for turning someone down just because they're not Arkansas born and bred? The city?
This is a federal problem and the federal government needs to fix it.
"
To Greg Hines wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:44 PM:
" Regardless of what I think of your opinions and political perspective, I agree with your point on community leadership. I, as many others who are commenting, do not want to commit myself to serve as an elected official. It's far easier to sit back, voice my opinion, and criticize those who do! "
hispanic american wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:50 PM:
" I would like to say that most of the meth users are not hispanics most of the people arrested with meth are white so dont try to blame the hispanic community with a problem that is mainly white second of all everybody but the native americans are inmigrants to this country a was born in southern california and i love this country with all my heart and soul and by da way i dont any legal paper that says that in order to be a real american citizen you have to be white last time i check it say any person who obeys the requirements or is born within the boundaries of the united states is and american citizen hello people wake up i have a right as much as any white born citizen to be in this country because like you i was born here and about the crime problems for all the ignorant comments made by all the ignorant people quit assuming that the sterotypes that you see in hoollywood are true and start assuming reality and that is that america is the land of inmigrants and we "hispanics" have the same right to be here as much as you and your ancestors did and by the way i think your white ancestors came here because they were looking for a better future just like my ancestors did and it was because countrys like germany.england,irelant etc. could not feed them. "
DJ Mexican! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:53 PM:
" John I agree with you, it sounds like you have knowledge not like the rest here posting their racial and profiling opinions.
It's what I have been saying since the beginning that is a federal problem but nobody seems to agree with me because I'm hispanic, lets face the fact, how and how much is it going to cost the US government to deport 12 million illegals? I'm talking nationally because like I mentioned before this is not a city issue nor a state issue this is a national federal issue. Wouldn't it be easier to get work permits or some kind of visas for this people? "
Also to Tom H wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:53 PM:
" Sounds like you have some incredibly marketable skills. The City of Rogers could really use a guy like you. You have the ability to not only determine the citizenship of people of color, but you can also detect a drug deal from a distance? Hey, forget Rogers, they need you on the Federal Level! "
Local wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:56 PM:
" If you think that this is a federal problem and you're waiting on the federal government to fix it, you may be waiting a long time. Who do you think is funding new schools and ESL programs? What about medical services, police protection? If you think that some Senator or Congressman from North Dakota is going to see this as a pressing issue you may be mistaken. "
Lydia wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:56 PM:
" Easy way to stop illegal immigrants. Fine every employer $25,000 for each one they employ. No jobs, no illegals. "
Razorback wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:59 PM:
" Hey John, spend our tax money for free medical care, food stamps, ect. for the illegals or spend our tax money for Rogers to defend something like this in court. I know which one I would pick. Lets go to court and take back our country! "
Mayor Womacks biggest fan wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:59 PM:
" I am in support of Mayor Womack on this issue. Its not about illegal hispanics, its about illegal period. It just so happens that the majority of the illegals are hispanic. Noone in the great, God fearing country of ours that is here illegally has any rights or protection under the US Constitution, this wonderful, devinely inspired document is for citizens of the United States of America, not for the misuse of illegals from anywhere in the world. If you want to be in this country thats fine, go through the proper steps to become a legal citizen and become part of our society, don't expect America to cater to you.
I think that Mayor Womack should think about a bid for the Whitehouse. We could really use a man of intergrity with some good old common "horse sense" sitting in the Oval Office! Good job Mayor! "
agricultural production wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:01 PM:
" DJ Mexican brings up a good point. According a recent AP article illigal aliens make up 40% of the U.S. agricultural industry. Do you want to pay $5.00 a head for cabbage? Oh, and who is going to pick it? If it is left to the uneducated white people it will rot in the fields..... "
Fast Forward 10 years wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:06 PM:
" I want to hear all of the bleeding hearts opinions in 10 years when our once beatiful Northwest Arkansas area looks like the towns on the border between Texas and Mexico. BROWN AND ILLEGAL is more like it!! I can't believe that you have the nerve to tell me that I can move if I don't like it----I am one of the MANY Americans who pay for the births of your children, the food that goes into your stomach and other freebies that are too numerous to mention. Haven't any of you noticed that now the illegals think that we Americans somehow owe them these government programs that WE fund!! Wake up before it's too late!! "
Tooo Greg Hines, sorry! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:06 PM:
" Are we a little touchy? Did we strike a political nerve when we point out that before you put your two cents into the above issue, you waited for someone else to raise their head out of the fox hold first. Here is a little of what you just said, “I feel that when you are in a position of leadership one should stand up and state their position on issues which have a profound effect on the community." Like we said, you did not stand up until the Mayor had the courage to make himself the first target. Now take your little badge and go away you pester me..... "
get real people! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:08 PM:
" For all those ignorants out there, get a life and maybe educate yourselfs and maybe you won't be loosing your jobs to illegals as you may say. Just because some idiots decide to go the easy way and make money out of commiting crimes and make everyone else look bad nommater what culture they are people automatically think anyone that looks like them is also the same. Thanks to ignorants like you thats why so many differences exist withing the community let the law punish those criminas, and to you city official if you used all your resources to put those criminals in jail hispanic, illegal or not you wouldnt' have thise problems the fact is you are just in office for the goverment money. All you do it talks but when it comes down to fixing something all you do is point the finger at others. "
Sorry again.... wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:08 PM:
" Hole, not hold, even though you most likely did not notice, toooo busy keeping your head down. "
Liz wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:09 PM:
" To Hispanic American: I'm not sure where the meth comments came from, because I don't believe that meth has been a topic of conversation. Thanks for letting us know that you are American by birth. I'm sorry to see that you haven't availed yourself of the educational opportunities that our country has to offer. Yes, you are correct that my European ancestors did come here looking for a better life, and they did so LEGALLY. Maybe it was just too far for them to swim, but I'd like to think that in their day people has some respect for another country's laws and customs. "
To Agricultural production wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:11 PM:
" Undereducated white people? I guess that we white people are now the bad guys because we are tired of funding the illegals way of life. The "undereducated white people" are the ones working 45 hours and week and paying taxes so illegals can drive new SUV's and live off of federal programs.
I will gladly pay $5/head for cabbage. "
Hoooray for Raymond Burns wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:15 PM:
" Todays NWA Times quotes the President and CEO of the Rogers-Lowell Chamber of Commerce as saying, "businesses shouldn't be unfairly penalized for employing illigal aliens, if they are doing everything they legally can do to determine the status of their employees". HELLO Mayor Womack and cheering section, an I-9 is all that is required by law and it is not the responsibility of the employer to investigate the authenticity of the doccuments provided by the employee. I'm glad to see there is some sensible leadership in the City of Rogers. "
to Toooo Greg Hines, Sorry wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:20 PM:
" See comment posted at 2:44. It's awfully easy to sit back and criticize. "
Cabbage wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:22 PM:
" I don't like cabbage much, anyway, so I guess on those rare occasions where I felt like making coleslaw, I could pony up $5 for a head of cabbage. This has caused me to wonder, though, how the U.S. has been able to support an agricultural sector for 300 years since white people are too lazy and stupid to pick our own cabbage. "
To Hoooray wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:23 PM:
" Well, yet another opportunity to gain some control over the illegal immigrant situation and people take the easy way out. It is up to ALL of us to make sure that people are here legally. It all boils down to money and landlords and business owners don't want to take any steps forward on this issue. HELLO--this problem is already out of hand and it is only going to get worse!!! When YOU get your SS# stolen then you might open your ojos!!!! "
Proud of you both wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:25 PM:
" Mayor Womack and Greg Hines rarely have the same view in the Rogers political circle. I am glad to see our mayor standing up for what is right, and I am also proud to have a councilman stand up and support the mayor on a very important issue, even though they have disagreed fevericously in the past. "
To Cabbage wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:34 PM:
" Bravo!! I agree with you--we have managed to feed ourselves and our families without depending on illegal labor. "
Greg, go away! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:36 PM:
" Greg go away you are still pestering me. Block Buster has a Long Ranger special running this week. Check some out and dream you could be a Long Ranger. I can see it now, up on the silver screen in the Benton County Sheriff's Department; “A fiery horse with the speed of light, a cloud of dust and a hearty "Hi-Yo Silver!"
The Lone Ranger and Greg rides again! Return with us now to those
Thrilling Days of Yesteryear! Which how Greg stands up and fights the new frontier criminal, the illegals?"
"
Hmmmmmm wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:41 PM:
" I don't think the Mayor wants to be commended along with Greg Hines....I agree with the above comments about Greg, he needs to be original. "
They are here wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:44 PM:
" My good friend had her SS# stolen from a hispanic and she is getting investigated by the IRS. Luckily with help from Law enforcement they were able to track her down. She not only had the SS card but fraudelent ID's with my friends name. Open your eyes community. If they weren't hurting anyone then there would not be a problem. The U.S. is the only country in the world were you can drive around without a license, no ID, no speaka da english and the cop can only give you a ticket in the "fake" name you have given him. Holy Cow, the ignorance I read on these pages is ludicrous. Go Mayor Go!!!! "
To hmmmmmm wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:45 PM:
" I don't care who gets "recognition" as long as something is done. "
Hate Rude People... wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:46 PM:
" Would anyone here disagree with me that our local Hispanic population is about the rudest people around? "
Opportunity lost wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:49 PM:
" It would have been a great opportunity for the INS earlier this year when the Hispanic rallies were held in NWA to catch hundreds of illegals. And before some of you start with the "right to assemble" responses---you have to RIGHT if you are legal NOT if you are here illegally. "
Liquor Store Owner wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:50 PM:
" I love the Mexicans... they pay cash for all the alcohol they buy from me. They allow me to live in a 6 bedroom house in a gated neighborhood (which is a place they can't bother me!). Open the border to them all!! Mayor Womack, can we please put the annexation of Mexico on our next planning committee's agenda? "
To Liquor Store Owner wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:56 PM:
" Don't think you are safe in your gated neighborhood because illegals can move next door to you too. They will combine their income and your children will be going to fiestas next door and watching a man kill a pig in his backyard. "
Be nice people wrote on Oct 27, 2006 4:02 PM:
" I want everyone to know I had a hispanic family move in next door to me and I can say with out a doubt they are very hard working, family oriented and law abiding......all 20 of them. "
Doug Norwood wrote on Oct 27, 2006 4:17 PM:
" I sure hope that the mayor never has a tornado rip his roof off, but if he does, I got $100 that says he will be the happiest man in town when that illegal Mexican roofing crew starts putting on his new roof. "
About Time wrote on Oct 27, 2006 4:44 PM:
" Everyone seems to be focusing on the word "immigrants" or "hispanics" and they seem to be leaving out the most important word of this proposal, "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" This is isolating Hispanics, it is an enforcement of a law that already exists on all immigrants coming here illegally and no one seems to be doing anything about it nationally. If there is a consequence for the employers and land lords for breaking a law, then maybe it will stop. These individuals are well aware of the fact that they cannot employee an Illegal Immigrant. Landlords, Leasing Agencies, etc will do criminal back ground checks, credit checks, etc, but no onewill ask for identification that would confirm they are allowed to be here.
Mayor Womack, I hope all cities across the country follow in your foot steps, this is the only way we can stop this. "
SPRINGDALELIFELONGRESIDENT wrote on Oct 27, 2006 4:49 PM:
" You go Steve! I think I'll move to Rogers. "
Shame on You wrote on Oct 27, 2006 5:10 PM:
" Doug NOrwood, you have no backbone. You make your money helping the illegal immigrants escape the law, a bit of a conflict of interest, don't you think? Shame on you. Your comments to the mayor were inappropriate "
Wake Up Call wrote on Oct 27, 2006 5:25 PM:
" Kids, it is time to stomp out the campfire, put the guitars away and stop singing kumbayah. It is time for us at home to stand up for and keep intact what our boys are fighting for all over the world. Don't come to America unless you want to be an American. Speak English and abide by the rules. If you don't want to, we understand, go home. Don't try to hide behind American laws if you don't want to follow them. "
Martin wrote on Oct 27, 2006 5:30 PM:
" Before we so eagerly condemn our neighbors, some thoughts to consider:
"Inasmuch as ye have done it unto the least of these my brethern, ye have done it unto me."
Matthew 25:40
First they came for the Jews but I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. They they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me... "
tired of it wrote on Oct 27, 2006 5:33 PM:
" This subject has created a lot of controversy--as seen by these comments today!! Our main problem is dealing with THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, not the ones that are here LEGALLY!! These immigrants need to assimilate with the rest of the population; i.e. learn OUR WAYS; after all, this is America; not Amexica!!! I totally support our mayors' suggestions!! "
Born Here wrote on Oct 27, 2006 5:39 PM:
" Mayor Womack would you like to be the Mayor of Bentonville also? Keep up the great job you are doing for Rogers. "
To Martin wrote on Oct 27, 2006 5:52 PM:
" Your second quote is quite appropriate. I am sure the Germans wished they had a leader take some interest in Hitler and his band of thugs called Nazis. You folks that want to cloud the issue with talk of race, grow up, if you can't distinguish between "illegal" and "race" shut up. "
Jim wrote on Oct 27, 2006 6:03 PM:
" Dan Coody and Jerry Van Hoose get on board. It is time of the rest of the cities to help Steve with this. The federal gov. sure won't do anything. Build prisons in Mexico, send our prisoners down there and pay the Mexicans to take care of them. Would you want to go there????? "
to city leaders wrote on Oct 27, 2006 6:07 PM:
" I don't care if the mayor or hines want to be lumped together or whose idea it was to speak their mind first. I am proud of both for making a public statement and I personally know neither of them. When I moved hear people were friendly and I was confident my family was fairly safe. Now it seems many are rude and I can not feel my wife is safe walking through wal-mart. My wife is part hispanic and has been followed through wal-mart by hispanic males making disgusting remarks assuming she does not understand. She does speak spanish and we have seen this happen to others who don't speak spanish. Be respectable, learn the native language, get legal or leave. "
Wake Up Call wrote on Oct 27, 2006 6:25 PM:
" Creeping Compromise. We don't speak out lest we offend someone. Well how about the fact that I am offended when I drive down Walnut Street, Rogers, Arkansas, USA and I cannot read a majority of the signs because they are in Spanish. Or I cannot go into an American store because all of the signs are in English and Spanish. Or I go into an American store and all of the instore advertising over the itercom is in Spanish. Gimme a break! At least the Mayor is willing to say enough is enough. This is a pot that has been brewing for quite sometime and the lid is about to blow. And how naive to expect the Feds to do something. Anything worthwhile that is ever accomplished is started at the grass roots level. I love Northwest Arkansas and I will support the Mayor anyway I can. "
tired of it wrote on Oct 27, 2006 6:38 PM:
" To wake up call--I agree with you!! Enough is enough!! "
Ozarks wrote on Oct 27, 2006 6:42 PM:
" I don't think the ones that have acted offened here really are. It is a tactic used to get us to not speak our rights or our feelings. Some like to say we are racist if we stand up for our rights and many times it works. The debate is illegal Vs. legal. To all naturlized Americans, Russian, Cuba, Mexican, I say welcome and good job. To those that are not I say, time to go home!! If you loved your country, you would make it better and not leave. Go home and run for office and repair what is broken in your home contry. I don't know Womack or Hines, that I know of but I support them and hope they work together to rid Rogers of the problem of ILLEGAL migration! We need to support other leaders, local, state, and national that will do the very same. "
Is that the real D.Norwood? wrote on Oct 27, 2006 7:08 PM:
" Doug is that really you? Mr. Hines, sorry did not mean to put a dent in your tin badge.... "
Jeff wrote on Oct 27, 2006 8:40 PM:
" I have an idea, for all you liberals that love diversity, how about you go to Mexico with the illegals we'll be sending back if you so embrace the Mexican culture. I am half Chinese, Half German, but I don't run around flying a Chinese flag or drawing swastica's and speaking German or Chinese. Be proud to by American, fly the American flag, speak English, or leave. It's that simple. No one is saying to send all the Mexicans back, just the illegals and just put everything in English. This isn't Mexico (yet) and hopefully it never will be. Look at what the Mexicans have done to Mexico. That is what the US will become eventually if we continue to embrace "diversity". Deversity is a stupid word Liberals hide behind without even knowing what it means. For the moron that said something about all the hispanics in the military fighting for this country, I ask you, how many of those hispanics you speak of doing this are illegal immigrants? I would venture to guess....none. "
Native wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:46 PM:
" I happen to be Native Indian, Scot, Irish, English, and German but above all, I'm proud to be an American. Regardless of what country you come from it should be legally and If you can't be a legal proud American and obey our laws, you should go back where you came from regardless of your race. I applaud Mayor Womak and challenge the other Northwest Arkansas Mayors to have the same integrity and gumption to do what is right and at least inforce the laws that are in place or pass ordinances levying heavy fines on landlords that rent to illegals and employers who hire them. There also needs to be sign ordinances for NW Arkansas. If I had wanted to live in the squaller and mayhem of Tiajuana I would have moved down there! When in Rome! "
Perez wrote on Oct 28, 2006 12:18 AM:
" Hey Razorback, I am a U.S. citizen , served in U.S. Navy, and as far as the person that said , prefers men with brains, Then why is this country overpopulated, Men don't think with their brains, but what's between their legs. And you like it that way. Hasta la vista baby. How bout them Cardinals. "
K wrote on Oct 28, 2006 12:18 AM:
" Thank you Mayor Womack! I'm so sorry that our Federal Government hasn't done more - you shouldn't have to be initiating all this. Our family is 100% in support of you! We will back you in public, in private and at the polls! "
caught in a quagmire wrote on Oct 28, 2006 12:30 AM:
" Was at Walmart and wanted to purchase stamps at the register along with the groceries. It took some time when I started trying to explain that I wanted stamps as the, (very nice) girl didn't speak english. After about 5 minutes worth of frustrating, what I felt like was a one way conversation the girl finally nodded her head, smiled and said oh. Thinking the stamp debacle was solved I waited for her to ring up the rest of my groceries. After I paid I couldn't remember seeing her put the stamps in any of the sacks so I looked at the reciept and noticed that she was a little confused and charged me for 7 PUMPKINS that I didn't have. Finally a translator was brought in since I couldn't explain my problem about the pumpkins due to the lack of understanding one another. When the translater arrived I was excited about the ability to leave before the ice cream melted only to realize that she didn't speak english either. "
to perez-: wrote on Oct 28, 2006 12:35 AM:
" We aren't overpopulated, our density to land ratio is only around 7%. Our agriculture to land ratio is only around 15%. There is plenty of room for all the LEGAL people that want to pick cabbage. "
Perez wrote on Oct 28, 2006 1:25 AM:
" Perez is not a Mexican name, It's Jewish,(I Chronicles 2:4)(Matthew 1:3) "Curse be every one who curses you, and blessed be every one who blesses you".(Genesis 29)You bless your brother or you curse your brother and bring curses upon you and your family for generations to come. I rest my case. Start loving your neighbor(John 15:17) or God's judgement will be upon you. "
Perez wrote on Oct 28, 2006 1:29 AM:
" Genesis 27:29 , "Cursed be every one who curses you, and blessed everyone who blesses you." "
Wake Up Call wrote on Oct 28, 2006 8:11 AM:
" Oh for Pete's Sake! Perez you obviously have missed the point of all of this or just don't want to get it. Stop tossing around bible scripture to try to bolster your position. For those people that wanted to ignore the laws because they were "Christians" Jesus taught that you are to obey the laws of the ruling government unless they break the laws of God. Again, I say, if you cannot distinguish between "illegal" and "race" shut up. Shame on you that you try to hide behind your ethnicity to point the finger at everyone here. That has been done before and, guess what, the generations of people living now are growing tired and impatient with that line of accusations. In other words, we do not feel guilty anymore. Am I thrilled at the prospect of my citizenship being questioned (my last name is of spanish and italian descent)? No, but unfortunately "illegals" are bringing that to my front door. Since you like to poke around in the Bible I suggest you go to the New Testament and read about the yearly trip everyone had to make to pay their taxes along with proving where they were from for census purposes. The Romans way of dealing with those that tried to escape that was not simple deportation. And if you have traveled to other parts of this big world you must carry your passport like we carry our drivers license. "
Perez wrote on Oct 28, 2006 10:36 AM:
" To Wake up Call, How bout them Cardinals. Ha Ha, Ha. Opinions are like buttholes, everybodies got one. Adios. "
Not_a fan wrote on Oct 28, 2006 11:19 AM:
" Boy ole boy is this area full of hypocrites, and elected ones at that! Look at the opportunites missed in years past for your elected officials to have acted on this growing problem with illegals. Now Womack is saying and doing the things needed to be done, but look how long it took him. He must be looking for higher office? John Boozman is no better, but he wants to hold on to his office also. Look at one of the biggest hypocites of all, Asa Hutchinson. Go to Wikipedia and read about him. Read what he said while serving as Under Sec for Border and Transportation Security about eliminating the fear of deportation for undocumented aliens. Also, look at what he said about failing to list his 200,000 shares worth $5.00 each on his disclosure form that he filed for the Governor's office. I quote, "Just totally an oversight" LOl. The best advice that I could give Mayor Womack is to keep his fight in front of the people and expose these hypocites for what they are. Maybe Womack can redeem himself, and someday hold higher office in this state? Go before the voters and admit your lack of action and maybe they will forgive you. I think civil war is nearing in Northwest Arkansas, because of the hypocites lack of action in the past. Lots of luck, cause you are going to need it. "
To Perez wrote on Oct 28, 2006 11:52 AM:
" I'm shocked. A Jew preaching diversity and multiculturalism to whites, while Israel builds walls to maintain its racial apartheid.
Chutzpah at its finest. "
Wake Up Call wrote on Oct 28, 2006 1:35 PM:
" Perez, everyone has one and then there is the "walking, talking" variety. But I wonder if those of you ever recognize yourselves? HaHaHaHa "
Tell The Truth wrote on Oct 28, 2006 1:44 PM:
" It is disappointing that our Mayor would say certain untruths to hide the reality of things. The meth problem in NWA has been here long before our new comers arrived. The larger majority of individuals detained for this problem are Anglo. "
To Tell the Truth wrote on Oct 28, 2006 2:33 PM:
" Before you infer that our Mayor is a liar maybe you need to come into the 21st century and catch up. "
caught in a quagmire wrote on Oct 28, 2006 3:39 PM:
" "Was at Walmart and wanted to purchase stamps at the register along with the groceries. It took some time when I started trying to explain that I wanted stamps as the, (very nice) girl didn't speak english. After about 5 minutes worth of frustrating, what I felt like was a one way conversation the girl finally nodded her head, smiled and said oh. Thinking the stamp debacle was solved I waited for her to ring up the rest of my groceries. After I paid I couldn't remember seeing her put the stamps in any of the sacks so I looked at the reciept and noticed that she was a little confused and charged me for 7 PUMPKINS that I didn't have. Finally a translator was brought in since I couldn't explain my problem about the pumpkins due to the lack of understanding one another. When the translater arrived I was excited about the ability to leave before the ice cream melted only to realize that she didn't speak english either. "
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hispanic american wrote on Oct 28, 2006 4:17 PM:
" to liz i think im educated enough to respect your opinion and the fact that you talk about the first waves of inmigrants came here respecting the laws and customs of this beautiful country thats not necesarily true because if i remenber correctly irish and other inmigrants use to live in the slums of places like new york where they had organize crime like gangs and many other forms of organize crime and I know this for a fact because i have taken advantage of the educational opportunitys that our beatiful country offers like american history and about all the first inmigrants learning the language and the customs of this country right away thats not true because many of the first german,polish,italian etc. live in their own communitys speaking their own languages and practicing their customs and a good example of this is wat happen in tontitown i know for a fact that the original italian inmigrants that live in totitown did not learn english and they kept their customs even till today maybe the newer genarations of the first inmigrants have assimilated to the american culture now but that took many years to archieve and the hispanic inmigration is barely starting and it will take a few generations to assimilated and me my self i love my mexican heritage but i consider my self an american and i will do anything to deffend america because i love my country "
to liz wrote on Oct 28, 2006 4:18 PM:
" to liz i think im educated enough to respect your opinion and the fact that you talk about the first waves of inmigrants came here respecting the laws and customs of this beautiful country thats not necesarily true because if i remenber correctly irish and other inmigrants use to live in the slums of places like new york where they had organize crime like gangs and many other forms of organize crime and I know this for a fact because i have taken advantage of the educational opportunitys that our beatiful country offers like american history and about all the first inmigrants learning the language and the customs of this country right away thats not true because many of the first german,polish,italian etc. live in their own communitys speaking their own languages and practicing their customs and a good example of this is wat happen in tontitown i know for a fact that the original italian inmigrants that live in totitown did not learn english and they kept their customs even till today maybe the newer genarations of the first inmigrants have assimilated to the american culture now but that took many years to archieve and the hispanic inmigration is barely starting and it will take a few generations to assimilated and me my self i love my mexican heritage but i consider my self an american and i will do anything to deffend america because i love my country "
hispanic american wrote on Oct 28, 2006 4:35 PM:
" about hispanics takin abvantage of the welfare system thats not true at all because i use to work at a grocery store and the majority of the people using foodstamps were mainly white out of 100% i will say that 90% were white and thats a fact im not saying that theres not any hispanics takin abvantage of this because there is but its just a small percentage so maybe the people that say all this non sense need to have facts before they open their prejudice mouths but like i say i respect everybodys opinions i just wish you would see the truth and another really important fact is that theres a lot of hispanics serving in the army in irak right now and the ratio of hispanic service men is high compare to the percentage of the general population i personally have a cousin from california who got injured while serving in irak so nobody has the right to tell me and my culture that we just come to take advantage of this counrty because theres hispanic overseas fighting for the values and the freedom of this country and we deserved respect because we are willing to defend this country and i agree that theres trash that try to take the easy life by commitin crimes but thats just a few not all of us and i want those kind of people out of here too but not by generalizing the whole hispanic community. God bless america "
couldn't understand wrote on Oct 28, 2006 7:30 PM:
" Was at Walmart and wanted to purchase stamps at the register along with the groceries. It took some time when I started trying to explain that I wanted stamps as the, (very nice) girl didn't speak english. After about 5 minutes worth of frustrating, what I felt like was a one way conversation the girl finally nodded her head, smiled and said oh. Thinking the stamp debacle was solved I waited for her to ring up the rest of my groceries. After I paid I couldn't remember seeing her put the stamps in any of the sacks so I looked at the reciept and noticed that she was a little confused and charged me for 7 PUMPKINS that I didn't have. Finally a translator was brought in since I couldn't explain my problem about the pumpkins due to the lack of understanding one another. When the translater arrived I was excited about the ability to leave before the ice cream melted only to realize that she didn't speak english either. "
to hispanic american wrote on Oct 28, 2006 10:14 PM:
" You're educated, you say, yet you apparently aren't familiar with punctuation; specifically periods.
White and proud.
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deputy jailer wrote on Oct 28, 2006 11:02 PM:
" if you check the jail logs, 8 out of 10 rapes in this county are hispanic. 4 out of 5 killers, yes you guessed it, hispanic....enough said. "
To Doug Norwood wrote on Oct 29, 2006 1:56 AM:
" I have a $100.00 for you that says the illegal immigrant roofing crew was hired by a legal roofing company. "
to hispanic american wrote on Oct 29, 2006 7:50 AM:
" As long as you (and your culture, as you stated above) have come into this country LEGALLY, this issue is NOT ABOUT YOU. However, if you are an illegal immigrant, I urge you to take the steps of becoming a US Citizen.
Sure, there's trash in every race. There isn't any dobut about that. What this whole issue is about is what to do about those who are ILLEGAL and the problems associated with those who are ILLEGAL.
If you have friends or family members in the US Armed forces, they are LEGAL US CITIZENS.
This is not a racist issue. This is an issue of coming into a country ILLEGALLY thus breaking the laws. I don't know of another country that will let you show up at their door, take advantage of their government programs(food stamps, medicaid, ect) commit crimes and not be prosecuted. If there were another country, I can almost bet that the illegals would stop seeking solace in The United States of America. "
Another one for Doug Norwood wrote on Oct 29, 2006 8:20 AM:
" How much money did you make last year suing the Rogers Police Department?? You like the illegals, we know, you are worried aren't you. You don't chase ambulances you chase illegals... "
No Hater wrote on Oct 29, 2006 8:42 AM:
" I think that someone who has a problem with another race trying to better thier life has the problems. I have Mexican (Most Mexicans like to be called just that, not Hispanic) friends not only at work but come to my house, but i love what Mayor Womack is doing, only problem is that the rest of our local Mayors will not have the "testicular fortitude" as Womack. This will just push all illegal activities to other local cities. "
Way to go Mayor Womack! wrote on Oct 29, 2006 8:45 AM:
" US Citizen....at least Mayor Womack is willing to start somewhere to clean up our city! Change has to start somewhere and Rogers is in desperate need of change. His statements are not anti-immigrant. His statements are anti-ILLEGAL. Big difference. "
U S Citizen wrote on Oct 29, 2006 9:02 AM:
" To Deputy Jailer: Does Racial Profiling mean anything to you? "
Ozarks wrote on Oct 29, 2006 10:06 AM:
" To those of you that keep trying to bring race into the issue, please stick to topic. Legal vs. Illegal. This issue has nothing to do with race but everything to do with the law of the land. If you are support the mayor (even if you live in another town or state for that matter), I suggest you do as I will do and go to the the meeting on 11-14-06 @ 7:30 PM and sit and listen to the debate. I will be wearing a US Flag pin. If you really want to make a difference do the same and then after the meeting, if any one is interested, we can go have a soda or cup of coffee and discuss the meeting. "
Born and Raised in Rogers wrote on Oct 29, 2006 12:51 PM:
" Let's all show up at the council meeting to show our support for Womack and Hines.
Hopefully the rest of the city council will have the guts to join them in saving our community.If you can't attend go to the Rogers web site at www.rogersarkansas.com
at leave them a message. "
hispanic american wrote on Oct 29, 2006 2:43 PM:
" for the person that questions if im legal or not yes im legal because i was born in southern california "
To U.S. Citizen wrote on Oct 29, 2006 2:52 PM:
" Racial profiling? Are you kidding?
RAPISTS and MURDERERS are not the VICTIMS of "racial profiling".
To someone like you, a person so completely committed to the ideal that there are NO differences across racial groups when it comes to propensity for criminal behavior, racial profiling is a very CREATIVE explanation for the obviously higher rates of crime among hispanics.
In fact, all shortcomings of every group when compared to WHITES must be the fault of racist Whites. If we're all equal, then there must be some explanation. Right?
On the flipside, you're the same type of people clamoring for more DIVERSITY.
If we're all the same, as you suppose, then how can there be ANY diversity?
Your attempt at logic is absurd.
Our communities are NOT improved by having these Mexicans here. In fact, they are damaged in quite easily demonstrable ways.
The truth is simple to see, yet you refuse to see it because TRUTH has no place in your twisted world view. "
Aztlan is Coming wrote on Oct 29, 2006 4:52 PM:
" For those who don't think there is a problem here read this statement from Armando Navarro, Prof. Ethnic Studies, UC
Riverside at Latino Summit Response to Prop 187, UC Riverside, 1/1995
"These are the critical years for us as a Latino community. We're in a state of transition. And that transformation is called 'the
browning of America'. Latinos are now becoming the majority. Because I know that time and history is on the side of the
Chicano/Latino community. It is changing in the future and in the present the balance of power of this nation. It's a game - it's a
game of power - who controls it. You (to MEChA students) are like the generals that command armies. We're in a state of war.
This (California) Proposition 187 is a declaration of war against the Latino/Chicano community of this country. They know the
demographics. They know that history and time is on our side. As one community, as one people, as one nation within a nation
as the community that we are, the Chicano/Latino community of this nation. What this means is a transfer of power. It means
control."
Also try read the acticles at "The Takeover of America" at www.ccir.net/AUDIO/TakeoverOfAmericaCD/Menu.html "
Jerry Hawkins wrote on Oct 29, 2006 8:02 PM:
" They are creating the fifth element.
We need to do like our fore fathers and declare war on them and ban them from our country. "
reality101 wrote on Oct 30, 2006 12:18 AM:
" http://www.co.benton.ar.us/Sheriff/Inmate.htm
check it out. "
People brake the laws,what laws wrote on Oct 30, 2006 9:12 AM:
" "What laws the ones that were made by the same bigots that kill a huge numbers of Native American and African American people, because they didn't look like them. When the laws don't work, sometimes you need to change them. This is the issue change the immigration laws. And about the Spanish issue, that's why we get the jobs, because we know two languages. We aren't ignorants! "
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Hahah wrote on Oct 30, 2006 9:21 AM:
" To the above poster:
Your language skills make you look like an "ignorant".
Throw out the pathetic racism charge, hoping Whites will cower and not make noise.
If Whites are so hateful and awful, why are people around the world risking their lives to live in our societies?
Why do Mexicans and blacks strive to live next door to us?
If we were as bad as you claim, it seems all the brown people would be running from us.
Instead, they follow us everywhere we go. "
Concerned wrote on Oct 30, 2006 10:31 AM:
" It's very unfortunate that you are blind to the fact that many of "wonderful immigrant people who are doing the right thing, doing the things expected of people who come to our country" are here illegal because of inconsistent immigration laws. All undocumented immigrants are not the evil criminals you mistakenly think they are. The law doesn't afford opportunity to become a U.S. Citizen- it's not that they are just too lazy to bother doing it. Wake up and look at the big picture! "
XNA Native wrote on Oct 30, 2006 10:53 AM:
" Screw being PC. Let's deal with the problem the way WE want to deal with it. It's OUR country!!! Why can they tell us how to run our business? Try telling a Rogers Cop that he can't give you a speeding ticket because you're from Springdale and see how far that gets you. "
Here's a thought... wrote on Oct 30, 2006 11:29 AM:
" Let's get rid of California first, and then lots of problems would be solved. "
Doug Norwood wrote on Oct 30, 2006 12:32 PM:
" If the American Indians had come up with the idea - don't rent a tent to a pilgrim or a cowboy - then most of us white folks would still be living in Europe. "
Lee wrote on Oct 30, 2006 1:32 PM:
" Any undocumented person is a criminal period It is unlawful to be in the country with out paperwork no matter where you come from so yes they are ALL CRIMINALS "
Lee wrote on Oct 30, 2006 2:36 PM:
" Hello Rogers I feel for you but you are not alone The fine city of Siloam Springs wants to spend 21,000 on a sign promoting downtown SS We spent thousands to build a waterfall leading to downtown now a fancy sign, problem is the road to downtown the city pointed out by the sign has one hispanic business after another lining the street oh yes the signs are mostly hand painted crude signs and yes the road takes you right in from of the simmons chicken processing plant that is staffed full with undocumented workers how to we know? the van that cashes checks tells the whole story yes it is the same van that is operating in rogers and springdale cashing checks so the folks can go do there duty at western union the next am. all the money is leaving the local economy this is really hurting the property owner and taxpayer in a big way Go Steve!!!!!1 "
Erin wrote on Oct 30, 2006 2:50 PM:
" Reading through some of these opinions to me is almost comical. People are on here making statements without being educated about any of it. It just goes to show how much ignorance there is in the world, not that there arent some valid points on here as well but seriously, do you people read what you've typed before you go to post it to see what if you even make sense or not? "
Comming soon to Rogers 1 of 2 wrote on Oct 30, 2006 4:34 PM:
" Can't wait for the Rogers City Council meeting this week. Get ready to watch the three stooges in action. I like Moe (Steve) he's the leader but I want to watch Larry and Curley do there little attention getters. Larry (Ben) will of course stand tall and very professional, for a change, because he knows all of NW Arkansas will be watching and listing. Then there is old round belly Curley (Greg) who just could not wait to jump up and wave that same flag that our city Mayor had already unfolded. Curley sees a chance to look like a leader, I wonder if Curley will be wearing his little tin badge? Why now Curley, are you outspoken on the illegal immigration issue? Where was your so call leadership when this issue surfaced years ago? Where was your so called leadership when you were first elected to the council? Why did you not speak out when the man was shot and killed not to long ago by some immigrants? O I know it did not happen in Rogers, but wait did I not just read a few notes back that you claim to be a deputy? Did this not happen in Benton County? So Curley was your leadership then or are you not aloud to speak up as a deputy? Do us all a big favor during the council meeting, be seen and not heard! "
2 of 2 wrote on Oct 30, 2006 4:35 PM:
" Every now and then you can look up and Larry will give you the nod to move around a little. Let Moe and other respectful councilmen do the debating......I will be there watch and listing, look for me. I will even come up and shake your hand. "
Born and Raised in Rogers wrote on Oct 30, 2006 4:56 PM:
" I've seen several post on this putting down Greg Hines. I would like to know why the people who seem to dislike him so much never seem to run against him for the office. He seems to run unchallenged a lot. I guess it's easier to complain about the job someone is doing than to try to take the job and do it better yourself. At least he has the civic commentment to service on the council and until someone beats him out for the job we should all give him the respect he deserves for doing a job nobody else seems to want. "
Come on Greg wrote on Oct 30, 2006 5:35 PM:
" We know you wrote that "Born and Raised in Rogers" response.... "
Next election wrote on Oct 30, 2006 5:39 PM:
" You will have someone running for your seat.......promise. "
Born and Raised in Rogers wrote on Oct 30, 2006 6:24 PM:
" I am not Greg Hines and I haven't talked to him since I was in high school. I just think the people who take the time to serve deserve our thanks. "
Howard wrote on Oct 30, 2006 10:22 PM:
" I live in Lowell.I've not always been fond of having or kids go to Rogers High; and seeing things with the Rogers/Lowell on them! You've just changed my mind Mayor!!! Go get em!!I hope Mayor Phill will follow suit and I'm sure he will. "
Cletus wrote on Oct 31, 2006 6:20 AM:
" Two quick notes:
1. Paying taxes doesn't justify or excuse illegal immigration. Everyone pays taxes; it's compulsory. Besides, illegals earn low wages, have so many dependents, and fake SSN's and improperly use their ITIN's that they get huge refunds back. Those who don't file, claim 10 exemptions on their W4's that they get nothing taken out. PAYING TAXES DOES NOT LEGITIMIZE AN ILLEGAL ALIEN.
2. Yes, white people took this land by force of arms from the indians. That's world history. The Jews forcibly took Palestine from the Philistines and Canaanites. Mexicans forcibly took their land from the Aztecs and Mayans. Cortez killed many indians so Mexico could exist. Pizarro killed off the Incas. The Normans conquered England in 1066 and displaced the Saxons. And on and on. The fact that this country belonged to the indians is irrelevant. This does not justify or excuse illegal immigration. This country is great because it was founded by the English. Hispanic countries were founded by the Spanish over a century before Jamestown, VA (1607). Hispanics had their chance to create an American empire south of the Rio Grande. You failed! Obviously, your way doesn't work. Our way does! You need to assimilate our culture. "
Ozarks wrote on Oct 31, 2006 7:53 AM:
" To Cletus: Well stated!
To the thread after Cletus in response: What was that? I read your message 3 times and I didn't get your point? "
howard wrote on Nov 1, 2006 12:01 AM:
" Give em til sundown to get outta town.
Then run em out!Way out to mexico and make them pay for the trip! "
M.A.T. wrote on Nov 1, 2006 5:47 AM:
" This situation happened at a local business in Bentonville. As the service was being done, the owner of the establishment casually asked in the middle of our conversation, " It's been sometime you had not come by, be careful you might be caught and thrown into Mexico." I gave him a puzzled look. So he changed the subject. Question: Is any one concerned about the implications of this proposed ordinance? I am legal, of hispanic ancestry and an educator in this town. Question: What are we going to do with the sex offenders, rapists, drug addicts and murderers.....I know let's not permit them to move in next door or to work with our children. Let me inform you I picked up my son after football practice and some parents have seen an anglo man remarking to our young football players how sexy they look. Question: What will be done to this person who might just be a sex offender? Our children are in danger. Some of our parents in Bentonville know what I am talking about....Yes, I strongly believe that some illegal immigrants
are breaking laws, along with sex offenders, rapists, and murders of all nationalities. Let's get them all out of town all at once!
I enjoy my freedom as a Hispanic American Citizen. I did not welcome the remark by that business man. "
to M.A.T. wrote on Nov 1, 2006 7:47 AM:
" The situation here has and still is the subject of ILLEGALS. If you are in this country legally and you abide by all laws, what do you have to be concerned about? It sounds to me like the business owner had something to be concerned about as well.....does he employ illegals? Why would you support the business of those that employ illegals? "
M.A.T. wrote on Nov 1, 2006 8:40 AM:
" The issue is illegal immigrants causing crime. We also have rapists, sex offenders, murderers, and drug addicts. I still stand my ground that all of these people should be grouped together and be sent elsewhere. "
S.D.M.L. wrote on Nov 1, 2006 12:27 PM:
" FYI
I rather have 10 hispanic families living in a single home next to me, rather than any sex offender, rapist,murderer,drug addict or drug dealer of any race living next to me. In order to solve the ILLEGALS, we also have to solve the other problems as well. These problems tend to go hand in hand, just eliminating illegal immigrants is not enough,we need to eliminate the others that cause problems in our society. "
Active in Rogers wrote on Nov 2, 2006 10:47 AM:
" I know both Womack and Hines and I think they both serve the citizens of Rogers well. I would remind readers that Womack does not always have the best of ideas. I remember when he wanted to put a city inspector in a private development office to serve their needs immediately. Hines was the only one on the council to stand up to him on this issue which Womack backed down from. Everyone agreed it was a bad idea except for Womack but no one would speak up! During that time neither of them could be categorized as Statesmen after they got mad at each other and aired their comments in public but I am glad to see that they are standing together on this issue! Way to go, Mayor Womack and Councilman Hines. We need leaders like both of you serving us! "
To-Active in Rogers wrote on Nov 2, 2006 2:43 PM:
" Greg you need to stop writing good things about yourself. If above is true give the date and what paper that was reported in. Facts, just the facts! "
To- to lazy wrote on Nov 2, 2006 3:31 PM:
" It only took a minute to research….
Morning News of Northwest Arkansas –
ROGERS -- A new deputy inspection official was approved for the city of Rogers on Tuesday, but at least two members of the City Council aren't happy with plans for the new employee to be housed in an office not owned by the city.
Mayor Steve Womack has said he plans to accept an offer by the developers of the Pinnacle Promenade to provide office space for the city's inspection officials, to help facilitate inspections over the next few years as construction continues in the southwest corner of the city.
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To- to lazy wrote on Nov 2, 2006 3:31 PM:
" Members of the council's Community Environment & Welfare Committee met prior to the regular council meeting to consider the new employee. Alderman Greg Hines said he's in full support of expanding the city inspection department and he even likes the idea of having a second-in-command to Ernie Bradford, the city's chief building inspector.
But Hines and Alderman Jim Clark both said they didn't like the idea of a city employee working from an office paid for by local developers.
Clark called it "a control issue" and compared it to school resource officers who he said sometimes get to thinking more like a school employee than a law enforcement officer.
"I don't want any city employee reporting to an office that is not owned by the city," Hines said.
City Attorney Ben Lipscomb said after the council session that the mayor has the "ultimate authority" to decide personnel issues for the city. He said that, if the council truly objects, it can pass an ordinance that would prohibit city employees from working from offices not belonging to the city. The mayor can also choose to veto such an ordinance, Lipscomb said.
Hines said he feels strongly about the issue and would be willing to sponsor an ordinance prohibiting offices that aren't on city property for employees. "
Pancracio Pedo duro wrote on Nov 2, 2006 4:27 PM:
" Pinche bola de gueyes, ponganse a trabajar y dejense de babosadas. Aqui nosotros venimos a chambear no a delinquir. Yo se que el mismo pendejo puso como 20 mensajes nomas se cambio de nombre, pinches cagados. "
John Tudor wrote on Nov 2, 2006 7:10 PM:
" If only people posting in Spanish could do so properly. It's one thing that Spanish is bad Latin, but bad Spanish is just going too far. "
See I knew wrote on Nov 3, 2006 7:34 AM:
" See I knew that was you Greg all a long. Stop trying to make yourself look good "
To Admin wrote on Nov 3, 2006 2:44 PM:
" If you can't curse in English on here, you shouldn't be able to curse in Spanish either. Get that one translated and yu'll see what I mean. "
N wrote on Nov 3, 2006 6:18 PM:
" And to think of all the trouble we just went through to get another country to tear down their wall. Hypocrites "
Kansas Whitey wrote on Nov 5, 2006 9:28 AM:
" Way to go Mayor Womack. Finally I hear somebody attemping to do what i have been saying all along. FINE THE EMPLOYERS and I also believe make sit a few days in jail too. "
Francisco wrote on Nov 9, 2006 10:01 AM:
" I think it's stupid how everyone is just trying to blame people. Why don't we just star fixing the problem. I don't agree with illegal immigratin, yet I understand why people do it. We all need to stop being racist and just get out there and help each other. I don't agree with blaming just illegal immigrants, or illegal immigrants just blaming the US. I think people should come to this country legally and that if ANYONE comes to this country they should learn their way of life. Of course I don't for them to give up their culture, but they did come to this country for a BETTER, DIFFERENT life. No one has to give up their beliefs, just learn to live with the standars that exist in the culture you came to, because if we don't there is always going to be conflict. And for those racist people, get out of your little box that you live in and also learn to appreciate other cultures. That is all everyone needs. Just learn to accept each other the way they are not the way the bible says they should be. Just learn to love and cherish people, because they might help you someday. By the way I think that everyone that reads this should see a good movie that touches these subjects. It's CRASH. It's a good movie and maybe it will help you to think differently. "
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Kudos wrote on Oct 26, 2006 9:27 PM: